Spokescouncil Meetings
- 2026-04-11- Communiy Check-in
- 2025-12-11 Spokescouncil Meeting
- 2025-11-13 Spokescouncil Meeting
- 2025-10-11 Spokescouncil Meeting temp alt layout
- 2025-10-11 Spokescouncil Meeting
- Emergency council meeting notes
- 07-06-2025, 8:30-10:30 @ 585 Woodward
- 06-22-2025 "Leadership and Accountability" Breakout Group Meeting
- 06-23-2025 6:30-9 pm @ MayDay Space
- 06-18-2025 7-9 pm at MayDay Space
- 06-16-2025, 7-9 pm at May Day Space
- Spokescouncil planning meeting notes
- Spokescouncil / Internal GA Planning Meeting- 04/04/2026
- 12-2-25 Spokescouncil Planning Meeting
- 11-4-2025 Spokescouncil Planning meeting
- Spokescouncil Planning Meeting - Date: 11-02-2025
- 2025-10-07 Spokescouncil Planning WG Meeting
- 2025-09-02 Spokescouncil Planning WG Meeting
- 2025-08-09 Spokescouncil planning WG notes from spokescouncil meeting
- Spokescouncil Planning Meeting 08-05-2025 6 pm
- Spokescounsil Planning Meeting 02-06-2025 6pm
- Spokescouncil Planning Meeting 01-15-2025 6pm
- Spokescouncil Planning Meeting 12-13-2024
- Spokescounsil Planning Meeting 11-20-2024
- Spokescouncil Planning Meeting 10-28-2024
- Spokescouncil Planning Meeting 09-29-2024
- 2025-09-11 Spokescouncil Meeting
- 2025-08-09 Spokesocuncil Meeting
- 2025-06-14 Spokescouncil Kickoff
- 2026-06-13 Spokescouncil Meeting - Jawn
- 2026-07-30 Spokes Council Meeting Point of Unity Discussion
2026-04-11- Communiy Check-in
Agenda
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RC Community Check-In
* Welcome [2 minutes]
* This is the first space-wide discussion in a few months. It’s a check-in, not a formal assembly. There are no votes, and no proposals to pass. The goal is to hear each other, think together, and leave with some shared sense of where to put collective energy next, what challenges we may be facing, and how we might want to approach them. In a space like this there are always and inevitably going to be differences in priorities, hearing each other and being heard is essential to navigating those frictions in ways that promote creative growth instead of wearing everyone down
* The facilitator's job is to keep things moving and make sure everyone who wants to speak gets heard
* [Name] will start keeping stack if we need it, when conversation is moving organically we’ll let it flow
* Please be thoughtful of how many people are in the room. Everyone came here today because they care about the space and have a stake in what happens here, speak to inform your collaborators, and make space for them to inform you
* A notetaker will capture key themes and any action items that emerge, names will not be recorded unless they’re attached to action items. Notes will be shared afterward, if you don’t want something in the notes, say so
* Intros [8 minutes]
[GA wall image on the projector]
* How you like to be called
* How you're connected to RC/what you're part of here
* Something at RC recently you'd love to see more of
* Review of GA Takeaways [5 min]
* High level takeaways from the GA
* We heard from a lot of community members
* These can ground us today, and we can discuss them more in other meetings
* What’s Up [35 min]
[Notes on the projector]
* Open-floor discussion of issues, frictions, and observations around shared space usage and community life since the last spokes council
* What's been on your mind about the space
Ventilation on the roof to support basement work- fan already there, how turn on? Is it safe?
Backyard access- can we petition? Neighbor dynamic rocky
Communications- silo’d signal groups
Space to pitch ideas, get temp checks
* Things that have gone well- Sunday dinner benefits, game night bringing in new dinner attendees, space is cleaner + tidier lately, folks have been experimenting more/ seeing more organic growth ie dinner layout change, mood lighting is great, programming has been more fun + playful ie spelling bee, more opportunities for folks to share heritage and background w larger community, groups seem more open to collab and sharing, the increase in programming + the cross pollination that happens when groups share time in the space, we're on our way to being able to fully pay our bills, MN reportbacks + gym/ pantry Wednesday vibes, the increase in communication and transparency
* Things that have felt hard- lack of clarity around more political events, are they welcome? Advertising ambiguity and guidance; is this a strategic priority?
* Things that have been sitting with you- invisible labor of regularly interacting w the space- problem solver vs attendee
* Things that you want to see done- way to contact facilitators/ bottom liners outside of signal- more access for newcomers
Storage of random items in the space- sort, repurpose, discard. Store. LABEL!
More structure around event + IG coord
more stuctural/ planning mtgs, more political programming + organizing meetings, more shared ownership + political alignment, more documentary screenings
* This conversation is intentionally unstructured. Try to add rather than respond or echo. The goal is to surface things in the room and hear each other
* We’ll come back to what to do about things
* Theme review [5 min]- organization of time, organization of space, buy in of the space by more WG members, more structure and processes needed esp re: programming + advertisement, more intentionality w programming- prioritize community ed/ political prog, + community building/ fun, more cross group/ committee communication
* Notetaker reviews themes captured in the conversation
* Ask which themes need follow up and mark them in the notes- ALL
* BREAK [10 min]
* Introduction of office hours model [7 min]
[Model on the projector]
* Describe the model
* The hope for creating this meeting schedule is to
* Reduce the administrative burden of meeting planning
* Create a more dynamic space for problem solving
* Make it easier for people to plug into work
* Be able to to weigh in on conversations you’re not tracking every day in signal chats
* Build stronger cross-group working relationships
* Questions/thoughts [8 min]
* What questions do you have about how this would work?
discussion around spot assignments, meeting cadence, structureAdmin committees would take turns hosting, work on existing and upcoming business, and invite folks interested in helping out w the committee. members of other committees and WGs invited to attend and interface w the hosting committee
* What feels right about this?
creating a space for more in person work, making admin more accessible to larger community* What feels uncertain or incomplete? change Housekeeping to All Hands to avoid confusion around mtg purpose
* Temperature check [5 min]
* Does this feel like something worth trying? yes
* Is there anything that would need to feel good about giving it a go? lets give it a shot
* Inventory of structures [20 min]-
[List of admin committees and working groups on the projector]
* The goal for this section is to inventory
* What's currently running
* Identify where things feel strong and where they feel thin
* What ideas exist for doing things differently
* We want to get through everything, so again please be thoughtful of how many groups are in the room. We can always come back to these conversations, there is no scarcity of time to work together
* All current admin committees and working groups [one at a time]
Tech & comms- physical install of NYC mesh interpersonal issues making it difficult
Positive interactions w newbies, can plug them in now
NYC mesh folks + artists across the street getting internet from RC; physical tech & comms improving, only use verizon as a backup
Being more physically present and active has generated new convos / interest
Need help decorating mesh board- protect the screen
Signal group doesnt equal committee/ WG
Summer of Ludd meetup- get on mailing list, build out indie tech network
Fundraising- 5/3 1-4p chili cookoff; crown! Best chili in ridgewood
Need flyer crew
Veg + meat categories
Grant due in June- call out to WGs to brainstorm a project for this grant
Writers group- could be more invested in the space
Spelling bee went well
Create space for contribution convo in mtgs
Facilities- blender broke, 3rd couch- toss? Need new blender. Longer audio cord or runner to cover short one; pantry shelves got clutter dump
Gym going well! 45-50 hrs booked / week
Contribution increase to $600
Finance- bringing in $2500/mo after expenses are piad- woohoo!
$500/mo discretionary fund available to groups who need it
* Who is active in each of these spaces? [show of hands]
* How are things going in each?
* What’s working?
* What do you need, if anything?
* What’s working/needs attention [5 min]
[Notes on the projector]
* From everything we’ve heard, what feels like it's running well? lots of fun events + more collabs between groups. income is growing steadily and the general cleanliness + ambiance is improving
* Where do you notice gaps or places where things feel stuck? need more structures and better comms systems, need POU, conflict resolution group
* Close [10 min]
* Facilitator’s brief synthesis across all three sections
* Themes that felt significant or recurring
* Anything that felt unresolved and deserves more space
* Follow up
* Work through flagged items from section 1 discussion and identify bottom liners or committees for each
* Decisions about how to organize follow-up can happen in the new office hours structure
* If something needs a working group to form ask if anyone wants to start it and when they'd meet
* Brief closing go around
* What are you leaving with?
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Meeting Highlights
New Action Items
find contact info for old ESL class teachers
build structure for determining discretionary fund allocations
build process for accessing DF
lease review- do we have backyard access?
Gavin- pass gym orientation manual for use as template for admin committees/ WG to build out SOP + orientation materials
2025-12-11 Spokescouncil Meeting
Spokescouncil Meeting - Date: 12-11-2025
Agenda
agenda wishlist: https://cryptpad.fr/sheet/#/2/sheet/edit/i7YbsaTtZ5WBf9FYDY3WrVBx/
6:30-9 pm
Agenda
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Role call (5 min)
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Role assignments (5 min)
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facilitator - Katelyn
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meeting notes
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stack
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timer
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Spokescouncil process (15 min)
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- Spokescouncil Overview Slides
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quick review from SP WG (e.g. how voting works, etc) + only voting delegate votes but all members of WGs present can contribute to discussion (5 mins)
- RC made up of working group s who use the space and daily operations maintained by admin committees
- Admin groups report back to spokes councils during meetings, are accountable to those working groups
- Proposals are proposed by either working groups or admin groups, open for friendly amendments and then voted on using a fist to five system
- As of right now, admin groups don't vote, only working groups do.
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reminder that this is an experiment! we need ideas and hands to shape this collective process of self-governance
- Write down your questions as we go, we will have discussion at the end
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Q&A/ Feedback about Spokescouncil process (OPEN TO ALL IN ATTENDANCE 10 mins; strict stack :)
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Passed Proposal Check-in (5 min), ask bottom liners to do a very short reportback:
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Political Education Charter
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Library proposal update
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*Tabled proposal check-in: comms needs a bottomliner
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Admin committee updates -
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Report on what was done this month, challenges faced, upcoming plans/needs, and any requests for support or approval. (25 mins; 5 min each)
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General announcement: admin committees need more help!
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Legal/ Liability
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Finance
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Fundraising
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Facilities
- LP's presentation: front of house cleaning station and bathroom storage hutch (4 min)
- Group report back
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Programming and rentals (shea)
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Disaster preparedness reportback (5 min)
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Woodbine Closeout (comments + brief discussion 10 min)
- gym money moved to open collective
- woodbine still hasn't announced split on IG. we dont need to come to any resolution. this is a placeholder to follow up and see what has happened and how people are feeling about this.
- discussion:
- WB/RC contract and agreement documents. are they stored somewhere we can see them? can we get access?
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BREAK (10 min)
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Proposal voting and friendly amendments
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(30 min) (https://wiki.commons.nyc/books/spokescouncil-proposals/chapter/pending-proposals - First, ask if there are any Blocks and any FA's. If not and no discussion feels necessary, move on to next proposal
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Working group announcements (10 min)
- pantry: sunday distro day, need volunteers
- programming/rentals: NYE party, need volunteers
- planning group: do people want remote meetings? (poll to come later after special announcements, think about it) + we need you!
- finance: recurring donations update
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Special announcements (5 min):
- free store on sat,
- You don't need a proposal to start a fundraiser, please start one!
- bake sale on sunday! 11 am - 3pm, people cant drop off 9:30-10:30. we need bakers!
- general assembly, call for help planning
- Festivus (fuck jerry seinfeld) airing of grievances + feats of strength TBD
- free store on sat,
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Open discussion/ feedback/ Q&A (OPEN TO ALL IN ATTENDANCE; ideally 10 min)
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Remote Meeting Poll + brief discussion (10 min)
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Action item review (5 min)
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Closing remarks (1 min)
Detailed Meeting Notes
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Role call (5 min)
- Working Groups not present: Dinner, Tutoring
- Admin committees not present: Legal/ Liability
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Role assignments (5 min)
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facilitator - Katelyn
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meeting notes- Shea
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stack- Iris/ Katelyn
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timer- Iris/ Ash
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Spokescouncil process (15 min)
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working groups work IN the space
- admin committees work ON the space
- point of process- are three working groups/ voting parties at a meeting enough to establish quorum?
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Q&A/ Feedback about Spokescouncil process (OPEN TO ALL IN ATTENDANCE 10 mins; strict stack :)
- Is a list of admin committee point people available?
- in admin committee chat description- needs to be accessible to wider community
- clarification- point person is meant to "hold it down"/ keep things from falling through cracks in the committee but labor is meant to be shared by all committee members
- Is a list of admin committee point people available?
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Passed Proposal Check-in (5 min), ask bottom liners to do a very short reportback:
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Political Education Charter- no update/ progress here
- spokescouncil planning to review possible FAs tied to charter
- need more folks to participate
- open call for speaker suggestions
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Library proposal update- next actions:
- will announce when clearing the area
- speaking with tutoring to establish what is tutoring materials
- will clear out remainder and submit proposal for new use of space
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*Tabled proposal check-in- comms charter
- comms needs a bottomliner- Does anyone have capacity to take this on?
- need someone to take lead w social media + newsletter
- current instagram point person: Vanessa
- Kohlman tapped to take over- active in gym
- lack of cohesion in outward comms- this group would address
- point of process: how to join admin committees?
- opinion: admin committees should be fairly open, we need people to help!
- suggestion: break out meeting to discuss further- we can't keep pushing this off
- comms is much more than just socials
- interface w media
- inter-group communications- currently a lack of transparency around what's going on unless you're in multiple groups
- comms is much more than just socials
- Needs:
- point person for charter
- process development for insta, newsletter, media
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Admin committee updates -store here
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Report on what was done this month, challenges faced, upcoming plans/needs, and any requests for support or approval. (25 mins; 5 min each)
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General announcement: admin committees need more help!
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Legal/ Liability
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Dino received rent check!
- Insurance renewing this month ~$5k
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Finance
- Natalie is transitioning out, finance meeting to ensure gap in duty coverage is filled
- Gavin working hard to organize finances, breakdown:
- $2705/mo in recurring donations- down ~$100 from last month
- we need more coworkers + recurring donations!
- $4400 rent/ $6k after utilities
- operating on deficit of $3k/mo
- Discussion:
- Frustration w lack of transparency around $$- still don't have the full picture
- fundraising is burning people out, we will start seeing diminishing returns
- Q: Who is putting on fundraisers?
- A: Currently being handled by fundraising committee but working groups are encouraged to organize their own fundraisers!
- Other contributors: Food Pantry applies for grants; Iris + Mike organizing show/ fundraiser @ Purgatory; Shea/ Paul/ Ollie working with ILC on NYE fund-rager
- $2705/mo in recurring donations- down ~$100 from last month
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Fundraising
- holiday market brought in $3400 after expenses- yay!
- Bakesale coming up 12/14 11-3p
- call for bakers and day of volunteers!
- fundraising needs help- call for new committee members
- Vanessa leaving fundraising after 12/14 bakesale
- Shelby leaving fundraising after Feb chili cookoff
- call for working groups to do their own fundraising- get creative!
- chili cookoff in Feb is the last fundraiser on the books
- call for people to design and pass out flyers for events
- Discussion:
- is fundraising really a sustainable way to bridge the deficit?
- disseminate to WGs- we need to pay rent to keep the space open + provide programming
- Q: should we more aggressive about WG members contributing $$/ labor?
- A: this historically has not been our stance, we do need to stress the importance of financial contributions from WGs tho
- call for bakers and day of volunteers!
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Facilities
- LP's presentation: front of house cleaning station and bathroom storage hutch (4 min)
- Group report back
- please give feedback on the castille soaps currently in use around the space- sourced by facilities- clean ingredients, small business, cheaper than amazon
- if you'd like to be involved in setting up the proposed cleaning stations please reach out to Lippy
- working on a distribution system for admin labor- need admin committee members to play w it
- buildig relationship with a coop cloud to strenthen our digital and physical community ties
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Programming and rentals (shea)
- planning NYE fund-rager with ILC- volunteers needed
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Disaster preparedness reportback (5 min)
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Woodbine Closeout (comments + brief discussion 10 min)
- gym money moved to open collective
- woodbine still hasn't announced split on IG. we dont need to come to any resolution. this is a placeholder to follow up and see what has happened and how people are feeling about this.
- discussion:
- WB/RC contract and agreement documents. are they stored somewhere we can see them? can we get access?
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BREAK (10 min)
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Proposal voting and friendly amendments
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(30 min) (https://wiki.commons.nyc/books/spokescouncil-proposals/chapter/pending-proposals - First, ask if there are any Blocks and any FA's. If not and no discussion feels necessary, move on to next proposal
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Proposal to Change Spokescouncil Meeting Dates
- FA- Spokesplanning: in the event that the new regular meeting cadence conflicts with a holiday, the spokescouncil planning working group is empowered to use best judgement in selecting a new meeting day that does not conflict with regularly scheduled programming or rental bookings
- proposal passed with friendly amendment
- next spokecouncil date: January 10, 2026
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Working group announcements (10 min)
- pantry: moving forward with sunday distro day, first day of service 12/21
- need volunteers to sign up for sorting on Saturday and distro on Sunday- regular AND new volunteers
- reviving old distro sign up to make sure this is properly supported
- programming/rentals: NYE fund-rager, need volunteers for set-up, party maintenance roles, and next day clean up
- planning group: do people want remote meetings? (poll to come later after special announcements, think about it)
- we need more participants! Come help us think critically about spokescouncil structure, non-heirachichal governance, and how best to empower working groups
- we need more participants! Come help us think critically about spokescouncil structure, non-heirachichal governance, and how best to empower working groups
- Gym: non-gym members have been using the gym without signing up for an intro training- this is an insurance liability!
- reminder to all community members to adhere to gym usage guidelines
- Tech collective: 1/9 coding skill share: Hack the Planet
- working to restructure basement after contractors finish
- pantry: moving forward with sunday distro day, first day of service 12/21
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Special announcements (5 min):
- free store on sat,
- You don't need a proposal to start a fundraiser, please start one!
- bake sale on sunday! 11 am - 3pm, people can drop off 9:30-10:30. we need bakers and day of volunteers!
- general assembly, call for help planning
- Festivus (fuck jerry seinfeld) airing of grievances + feats of strength TBD
- Basement update: contractors work is safe but shoddy
- right side of basement may also be at risk
- Additional problem areas:
- no basement ceiling
- continued flooding
- backflow issues in kitchen and bathroom
- Dino not open to doing more work
- what are our rights as tenants?
- what are our rights as tenants?
- free store on sat,
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Open discussion/ feedback/ Q&A (OPEN TO ALL IN ATTENDANCE; ideally 10 min)
- decision to revisit remote meeting poll
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Remote Meeting Poll + brief discussion (10 min)
- Q: Do we open Spokescouncil meetings up to remote attendance?
- suggestion: poll individual WG chats
- concern that old WB patterns are repeating
- remote participants tend to be more disengaged, distracted
- emphasis on being present remotely
- remote participants tend to be more disengaged, distracted
- remote meetings could help integrate participation, attendance is falling
- helpful in winter with travel/ weather/ seasonal fatigue considerations
- we should try it, emphasize this is an experiment to ease the strain of participating in winter months
- concern that remote participants will have trouble hearing live mtg attendees, suggestion that meetings move fully remote for experiment
- point of process: if stack and facilitation are enforced there shouldn't be cross talk
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Action item review (5 min)
- Political education working group needs help: suggestions for speakers and events: where is there email or signal to get in contact?
- possible meeting recurring topic: "weird stuff" to ID and remove random items from space
- Comms Admin Committee needs a bottom liner + a charter
- Clarification on how people can send flyers to be posted to Instagram
- How to deal with the media (journalists etc)
- Clarification and documentation needed for how to join admin committees
- Orientation Day to invite new people in and show them how the space runs (maybe in the spring?)
- Can screenings become a real working group?
- Legal/Liability need to give updates at meetings. they have been absent for many meetings in a row.
- Finance admin committee:
- ppl want to see deeper updates at meetings. Maybe every 3 months deep dive?
- what is in our savings account?
- Fundraising:
- Donation drive for the holidays
- call for more fundraisers started by anyone
- personal donations
- need help with physical flyering
- Jan 25 show at purgatory (iris)
- help with finding grants!
- Sunday dinner used as community announcements and onboarding opportunity (paul)
- tenants rights lawyer to consult for flooding in basement and ceiling repairs (shea)
- need user testers for digital infrastructure, talk to paul
- Spokescouncil planning action items:
- needs a clear process for requesting admin updates and proposal updates prior to meetings and someone to do that task every cycle
- why isn't dinner coming to spokes meetings?
- admin form feedback: keep it simpler, keep it to 2 min long update if possible. max 5 min
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Closing remarks (1 min)
- Thank you for coming, please help reset and clean dishes :)
2025-11-13 Spokescouncil Meeting
Spokescouncil Meeting - Date: 11-13-2025
6:30-9 pm
Agenda
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Role call (5 min)
- Many working groups not present
- tutoring, sunday dinner, yoga, writing workshop
- these are the smaller working groups who are less dependent on the physical infrastructure of 585.
- tutoring, sunday dinner, yoga, writing workshop
- Many working groups not present
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Role assignments (5 min)
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facilitator - Caroline
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meeting notes - Nina
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stack - Caroline
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timer - Troi
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Spokescouncil process (15 min)
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quick review from SP WG (e.g. how voting works, etc) + only speaking delegate votes but all members of WGs present can contribute to discussion (5 mins)
- RC made up of working group s who use the space and daily operations maintained by admin committees
- Admin groups report back to spokes councils during meetings, are accountable to those working groups
- Proposals are proposed by either working groups or admin groups, open for friendly amendments and then voted on using a fist to five system
- As of right now, admin groups don't vote, only working groups do.
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reminder that this is an experiment! we need ideas and hands to shape this collective process of self-governance
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Q&A/ Feedback about Spokescouncil process (OPEN TO ALL IN ATTENDANCE 10 mins; strict stack :) )
- what's the point of this spokes meeting?
- decision-making, increased transparency, some big things should be discussed IRL, the only place for groups to get updates.
- But are those updates being filtered out from meeting attendees to working group members not at that meeting?
- Suggestion to figure out a way to make this meeting a place for working groups to meet together and get to know each other rather than just do voting
- What does it mean that working groups aren't showing up? Does it indicate health and trust or disinterest or lack of accountability to the larger RC project?
- What does it mean that working groups aren't showing up? Does it indicate health and trust or disinterest or lack of accountability to the larger RC project?
- "As an outsider i have no idea what's going on - I've heard there's a wiki but I don't know where to find it"
- We've only had 4 meetings, this is still a work in progress but we can
- Where is the place to discuss effective governance of the space? Is the spokescouncil the actual place where decisions actually get made? If not, how do we
- Admin committees have 630pm meeting on sundays for anyone to attend
- decision-making, increased transparency, some big things should be discussed IRL, the only place for groups to get updates.
- what's the point of this spokes meeting?
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Passed Proposal Check-in
- (5 min), ask bottom liners to do a very short reportback :
- Cleaning Proposal
- bathroom is cleaner. that feels good!
- suggestion that the group that does the cleaning should announce it in the spokes working group chat to keep the ball rolling
- some confusion because cleaning not happening on fixed day of the week. is that helpful or is it too rigid? Not super urgent, no strong feelings on this.
- RC Community Announcements Chat
- how's it going?
- "have seen some things, learned some things, it's nice that it's not on social media" - appears to be working!
- we like it but also like when things are publicly announced outside of Signal to make the space more inviting and more welcoming. Could these events be put on the website?
- Perhaps this will be looped in under tech comms
- Can people join the chat from the website?
- We have it added to a quarter page flyer
- Feel weird about putting it online bc anyone can join.
- Putting it on the website feels more like any rando can join.
- But only admins can post
- BUT ppl can still see group membership
- People should talk to Micro / tech and comms about threat modeling and communication
- how's it going?
- Cleaning Proposal
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Admin committee updates -
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Report on what was done this month, challenges faced, upcoming plans/needs, and any requests for support or approval. (25 mins; 5 min each)
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General announcement: admin committees need more help!
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Legal/ Liability
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Finance
- made a ZINE - other groups take note!!!!
- if you just look at our recurring revenue and things in the bank, we have 3.3 months runway
- variable income is the fundraising efforts/other things that bring in money - this is what's been keeping us afloat
- 18% increase of recurring breakdown - we're actually close to where woodbine was for recurring income
- Every dollar of recurring $ is money we don't have to hustle for
- We currently have a really challenging time getting money out of Monkworx and even knowing what our balance is. huge pain piont
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See attached finance report: Finance WG report 2025-11-13.pdf
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Fundraising (no one will be in attendance so Facilitator will share update)
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- $2303 was raised this weekend at bake sale
- the raffle is this weekend at the tiny makers market ( if there are people interested in helping at the raffle table please join the fundraising support channel)
- call on people to flyer -( people can check Iris post on the support channel )
- if you are interested in helping with the fundraising efforts in any capacity please join the fundraising support channel / previously the party fundraising channel
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Facilities
- need help incl sunday 2-5 to clean the basement - especially if you have things stored in the basement. And a longer plan for cleaning the basement
- termite investigation to come (Dino to lead this) and then potential abatement and floor reinforcement
- need for a rapid response group for flooding/etc
- ongoing question about how to bring this to the wider RC community, wider chats
- Valve repair - this will be approx $2k and we will have to pay it
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Tech and comms
- spread thin, potentially splitting into Tech AND Comms
- Looking at ways to automate, onboard, make labor clearer
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Programming and rentals
- going well, bringing in more money!
- need to make it more visible that people can rent the space
- Figure out better way to have programming relate to rentals - we want to be a programming space more than a rental space - the rentals are what keeps the light on. The more we fundraise, the less we need to depend on rentals
- And in the case of conflicting rentals versus programming we want to have in the space, it is flexible! We want to always be able to have the programming we want
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Branding presentation (5-10 min)
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BREAK (10 min)
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Proposal voting and friendly amendments
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(30 min) (https://wiki.commons.nyc/books/spokescouncil-proposals/chapter/pending-proposals - First, ask if there are any Blocks and any FA's. If not and no discussion feels necessary, move on to next proposal
- Comms as Separate Admin Committee
- wide agreement that this is needed but without a clear group of bottom liners to move this forward, we did not feel comfortable voting on this.
- Next step: nina to recap this to Katelyn, all attendees to softly ask people who might be compelled to do this
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Political Education WG Charter
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Library/Shelving Proposal
- passed w 4's all over
- Comms as Separate Admin Committee
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Working group announcements (10 min)
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basement: ceiling repairs
- Meshtastic event Saturday 1pm in the basement
- Sunday basement cleaning 2-5pm
- Monday event on indigenous organizing in Albuquerque
- come to the gym!
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Special announcements (5 min):
- You don't need a proposal to start a fundraiser
- next meeting happening Dec 11 on a Thursday so the Autonomous Football League can have on Sat
- general assembly
- Festivus (fuck jerry seinfeld) airing of grievances + feats of strength
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spokescouncil process straw poll vote: "soft proposal" to allow folks who aren't yet in WGs to observe spokescouncil meetings + create an orientation time before meetings (5 min)
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Open discussion/ feedback/ Q&A (OPEN TO ALL IN ATTENDANCE; ideally 10 min)
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Action item review (5 min)
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Closing remarks/ hugs (1 min)
- hugs now mandatory in zohran's new york
Meeting Highlights
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Uncompleted/ In progress Action Items from Prior Meetings
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2025-10-11 Spokescouncil Meeting temp alt layout
Spokescouncil Meeting - Date: 10-11-2025
Agenda
Intro / Roles / Process / TODO Reportbacks / Branding Update (45 min)
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Introductions (names/pronouns/affiliations) (5 min)
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Role assignments (5 min)
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Spokescouncil process review (15 min)
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review (5 mins)
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Q&A/ Feedback (OPEN TO ALL IN ATTENDANCE 10 mins)
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Action Item Report Backs (10 min)
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bathroom cleaning
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in-space physical calendar
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in-space admin committee signage
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Update on new branding/design for RC (10 min)
Break (5 min)
Admin Comittee Updates / Working Group Updates (45 min)
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Admin committee updates - Report on what was done this month, challenges faced, upcoming plans/needs, and any requests for support or approval. (25 mins; 5 min each)
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Legal/ Liability
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Finance (e.g. donations received (total and by source), expenses (total and by category), surplus/ deficit, any upcoming big expenses)
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Fundrasing
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Facilities
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Programming and rentals
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Working group announcements (20 min)
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food pantry
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gym
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tutoring
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spokes planning
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sunday dinner
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tech collective
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tuesday reading group
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writer workshop
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yoga & meditation
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Break (5 min)
Discussion (26 min)
discussion session (20 min)
- Checking in on how the design of the spokescouncil is actually playing out with regards to delegate rotation, working group meeting cadence, spokescouncil <-> working group bidirectional communication – open question session (20 min)
- Action item review (5 min)
- Closing remarks/ hugs (1 min)
Fin!
Meeting Minutes here:
2025-10-11 Spokescouncil Meeting
Spokescouncil Meeting - Date: 10-11-2025
Agenda
Intro / Roles / Process / TODO Reportbacks / Branding Update (45 min)
- Introductions (names/pronouns/affiliations) (5 min)
- Role assignments (5 min)
- facilitator
- note-taker
- stack/ timer
- Spokescouncil process review (15 min)
- review (5 mins)
- Q&A/ Feedback (OPEN TO ALL IN ATTENDANCE 10 mins)
- Action Item Report Backs (10 min)
- bathroom cleaning
- in-space physical calendar
- in-space admin committee signage
- Update on new branding/design for RC (10 min)
Break (5 min)
Admin Comittee Updates / Working Group Updates (45 min)
- Admin committee updates: Report on what was done this month, challenges faced, upcoming plans/needs, and any requests for support or approval. (25 mins; 5 min each)
- Legal/ Liability
- Finance (e.g. donations received (total and by source), expenses (total and by category), surplus/ deficit, any upcoming big expenses)
- Fundrasing
- Facilities
- Tech and comms
- Programming and rentals
- Working group announcements (20 min)
- food pantry
- gym
- tutoring
- spokes planning
- sunday dinner
- tech collective
- tuesday reading group
- writer workshop
- yoga & meditation
Break (5 min)
Discussion (26 min)
discussion session (20 min)
- Checking in on how the design of the spokescouncil is actually playing out with regards to delegate rotation, working group meeting cadence, spokescouncil <-> working group bidirectional communication – open question session (20 min)
- Action item review (5 min)
- Closing remarks/ hugs (1 min)
Fin!
Detailed Meeting Notes Here:
INTRO / ROLES / PROCESS / REPORTBACKS / BRANDING
Introductions (names/pronouns/affiliations) (5 min)
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Role assignments (5 min)
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- facilitator - Paul
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- stack - Jessie
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- Paul - Facilitator, Spokes Planning, Tech Collective
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- LP - Delegate for Tech & Comms, Facilities
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- Jessie - Note/ Taker/Delegate for Tech Collective
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- Marianne - Dinner Delegate
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- Eddie - Note Taker for Dinner
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- Zach - Delegate for Writing Workshop
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- Iris - Facilities Delegate
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- RAchel - FAcilities
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- Shea - Annopuncemnts for Fundraising
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- LJ - Delegate for Gym & Branding Taskforce
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- Ada - notes for gym
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- Tit - pantry observer
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- Rhye - Notetaker pantry
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- Sarah - Delegate pantry
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- Nathalie - Sunday dinner observer
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- Troy - observer
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Spokescouncil process review (15 min) PAUL
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- review (5 mins)
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- Pitching a way of explaining this to other ppl
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- Disclaimer of current structure : November 2024 > small group of us as spokescouncil planning working group got together to plan spokescouncill planning structure to address concerns in the way space was organized; had a lot of meetings trying to figure out structure > was supposed to start out as small experiment slowly with more and more responsibility to demonstrate that it could han
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- dle stuff in the space > but then the moment we were abut to start >> big split happened > so then that needs to run space > then admin committee formed >> very likely these structures are NOT optimal and could use help making them better!!! The ppl in the spokes group are most invested in transition and BURNING OUT and the group is getting smaller
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- PITCH TO PLEASE HELP AND HAVE PATIENCE AND PARTICIPATE!!!
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- I looked back at a [points of unity document that was never made official > material hub for the space etc etc > see the document that Paul is referencing.
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- Self empowerment, self organizing etc,
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- Ideal to work towards
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- Not necessarily ratified document
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- RC Is made up of a number of WG (Pantry, gym, tutoring, spokes planning, etc) that make up spokescounicl, while daily operations are maintained by ADMIN committees (finance& fundraising, facilities, programs & rentals, Tech & Comms)
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- RC Admin Committees: each have a single point person who is ultimately held responsible fby the spokescouncil,able to remove them > details of this process not fleshed out
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- Cahrters for each group ratified at first psokescoucil meeting
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- Admin committee spokespeople report back about it from previous month
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- The spokescouncil (Us here now) is a way for WGs to make decision together > not majority vote, but figure out a way to / version that is acceptable to everyone in that space.
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- Spokescouncil meetings are a place for us to make decision together based on proposals we have ALREADY had time to think about and discuss within our WGS >> not sure this is actually happening > adjust this model
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- Hold each other accountable for the commitments w’eve made over the past month
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- WG picks a delegate, sent to meeting, delegate reports back to larger group on what you already deciced as a group >> delegate is NOT making game-time decisions on behalf of WG
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- Proposals must be submitted 2 weeks prior to each spounciens meeting so there mistime to discuss
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- Asynchronous GCs : RC Admins Collective ; RC Spokescounil chat / RC spokescouncil announcements chat (meeting specific) / RC community announcements chat (anyone)
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Q&A/ Feedback (OPEN TO ALL IN ATTENDANCE 10 mins)
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- LJ: 1. If feel like ti was said at early meeting that spokescounic is governing body of the space, but it seems to me that governing body is admin collective, which I think is fine but needs to be clear > but that this is a space for WGs to talk to each other is valid. 2. I’ve also been thinking that no proposals is evidence > are we meting too often? Monthly for now makes sense early in process, but it eats up a lot of time, hard to find other delegates for gym, it’s a lot of time, maybe we can meet every 3 months down the line??
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- LP: yeah I mean that’s an interesting de fact de rigeur > there’s a fear that they don’t want a small group to again become a super controlling group > but you can’t force ppl to participate and get into the weeds > we need to be super creative > admin ppl meeting casually 6:30 before dinners > never explicitly stated > more chaotic > something less rigid bout roles could be helpful
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- LJ: I agree, I don’t think it’s so bad, as long as people are allowed to participate if they want to . If it’s open to anyone joining, then implicitly ppl are consenting to small group running it , Dif then exclusive small group
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- Iris: should we make a habit of posting note from those meetings int he announcments chat?
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- LP: He’ll Yeah. It should also be self document ed and transparent! Presentation for moments of objection, concern and participation
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- Paul: do you have any f feedback on the way of explaining this??
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- LJ I think it makes sense , points of unity ? Flow into branding update, but part of that is revisiting those and making those more clear and up on the website and stuff.
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- Jessie thinks it was clear and comprehensive, and hasn’t seen a full explanination of it before
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Action Item Report Backs (10 min)
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- bathroom cleaning
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- We set up bathroom cleaning rotation > and it seems like it’s happening but one week was missed > every week it’s cleaned by a rotating list of the WGs > Iris has done it twice so far, which she says is fine, I had time, it’s really not terribly time involved, just floor drying time. We missed tutoring bc it’s only 3 ppl and one of them doesn’t have a smart phone contact > so as long as I don’t do every week I don’t care
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- LP : is it ad hoc? If you don’t see your group listed, you just take initiative?
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- Shea: I thought we had said the order that was on the list is the order
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- I: so there is a specific list ,based on how cahretsr are listed > been announcing it in the spokescounicl chat > pantry did that, announced that tutoring was next? system seems like it’s working?
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- Paul: reminding us we can do direct responses within stack.
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- Paul: I think that it might help the rotation thing if the column for the groups was filled out so you don’t have to think that hard about it > just it’s us next.
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- in-space physical calendar
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- Paul: the proposal was to put a physical calendar in the space on the wall next to the we work things
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- So the plan is a handwritten black board calendar
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- Room for discussion but it hasn’t happened
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- There is a group chat for it if anyone wants to join it
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- We proposed a meeting for next week but no one said anything about it
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- Are there hanging supplies?
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- LP : I don’t . I posted pics of supplies we could use
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- I: I will get the supplies
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- M: maybe we can put one outside for people passing by to know? I don’t know if you’d want to put everything but the things that are open to anyone to be on the calendar outside?
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- R: I just want to minimize the number of times we have to write the same thing over and over > problem with hand writing calendars . We have structure of same thing ever week. Maybe that’s outside, more detail inside. Internally it’s a little more important right now
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- ada: I don’t meet to be rude but this sounds like calendar discussion group?
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- Yeah I think that the issue for the calendar chat has petered off > if anyone wants to get involved >
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- Post the chat to group > fire off suggestion even if you can’t make it happen
- in-space admin committee signage
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- That explains who the admin commits are and what t they’re supposed to do. Bc feel like a shadowy group to some people still. Has been printed out.
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- Maybe we cold put it up and people look at it later for feedback?
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- Shea - I have multiple hard copies.
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- Update on new branding/design for RC (10 min)
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- LJ: so there’s a group that is called branding Taskforce to help with branding for the space and I’m on it, LPs on it, it’s an informal group > in terms of updates, we are working with a designer who is one of the instructors with Deep May, professional designers, looks good, gave us first pass update, more developed version will be presented to the taskforce group and we will approve/have notes > 2-3 weeks > we will have font choices, layout stuff, just so that our posts on social media will be more cohesive > also some stuff for our website, which I think we need to have a discussion about it
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- He needs someone to execute the design (Paul?_
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- W have had discussions internally I can imagine it making sense for Taskforce when timesensive is done, evolving into a PR commit to handle social media accounts.
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- One. Thing we will be writing a a lot of copy for the website > we can come up with some way to make that subject to approval, but I imagine we will deign something we feel good internally, then present it to the group.
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- If you want to be involved, we can add you to the GC
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- I’m hoping that by the end of the month we will have it good to go in terms of the branding
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- Do you think that should be announced more broadly? Inviting ppl to join?
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- Issue w too many cooks in the kitchen
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- Everyone could have an opinion just about whether you like the way something looks or not
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- LP: one of the things cool about the work is that at least the main pitch right now involves geometric elements building blocks that integrate into other stuff — more than color palette and type face >. Shapes that could be used so you don’t have to worry about layout, fun to play with
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- Poster maker application integrating design elements that could be accessible to anyone
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- Flyers don’t have to fit style guide > but more posts that are “in the voice of RC” > so the WG could work directly with the PR group to come up with stuff
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- Support for proofreading content
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- Depends on who wants to be involved and capacity
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- Would be good if there was consistent group of people posting
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- Talked w designer abt best practices wrt language > take some of the lift / work off of ppl making the posting so you don’t have to come up with the whole thing each time
Admin Committee Updates / Working Group Updates (45 min)
- Admin committee updates:
- Report on what was done this month, challenges faced, upcoming plans/needs, and any requests for support or approval. (25 mins; 5 min each)
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- Legal/ Liability
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- No one is here - Vanessa nor John > then we can assume there is nothing to worry about?
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Finance
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- Dora is getting here at 4:30
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list of things
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- We have had influx of ppl come to help finance stuff bc it used to just be 2 of us
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- Now we have Gavin and Josh and very helpful to have extra support!!! Moving parts
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- cSA update: farm has agreed to handle payments > so now we don’t have ridiculous amount of revenue for tiny profit >
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- CSA sales launching next week, we get $25 per member, about 100 members
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- Gavin and Kaitlyn have joined finance and communications and transparency
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- If anyone else has interest please join!!
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- As LP mentioned, we have tracking WF and patron $2284 membership
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- The graphic has been VERY HELPFUL for instagram > and helped with huge push with donations!!!
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- PLATEAU: that’s about half of rent!! Which is amazing to have accomplished in like 2 months yay be proud and excited AND THERE IS MORE WORK TO BE DONE TO REACH $4400!!!
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- On top of that, electricity much more expensive this summer and for that RC the bill was $2900 for only 2 months!! That’s $1400 a month additional to rent > conversation about what number are we choosing as a gaol. We have to have our regular fundraisers >> there will always be a gap btwn memberships and actual needs
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- Woodbine had had a little over $3000/months so we are already 2/3 of the way there
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- Coworkin update: we have 5 currently. Great.
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- Hopefully the electricity will be less expensive in winter
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- MONKWORKS: still waiting to be onboarded to their nonprofit portal to create reports. If not, monk works will create reports >> monk works is our fiscal sponsor where our banking goes > there finance manager just got back form her wedding, so hopefully we can get the credentials soon.
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- We are also unable to get Venmo and Zelle bc of non profit compliance reasons bc of lots of language 990 filings idk
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- The best way to remit money is CASHA CHECK OR ONE TIME WF DONATION > (except that %13% WF takes) so Cash and check preferable!!!
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- Reimburse > petty cash or check
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- Petty cash: dora is the holder of the petty cash box custodian
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- We have $150 budget for dinners each Sunday to reimburse for the food. We are still in the process of a more precise system for reimbursements like a form that we have that people can fill out
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- The biggest thing is RECEIPTS!! If you want reimburse, you need receipt!
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- If you want petty cash to go buy dishsoaop or whatever > pls get a receipt so I can keep track of all of that
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- We have $200 as our petty cash amount. Cash box always has 150 for diners, 200 for petty cash; if you have cash that you need to give us from an event > PLEASE PUT IN AN ENVLEOP AND WRITE WHAT IT IS AND WHAT FOR AND THEN DEOPOSIT INTO THE CASH BOX!!! I WILL PICK UP EVERY SUNDAY!!
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- Now that dinner is baked into finance > all money is going to ringwood commons after $150 >
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- So far cash $668 in cash received.
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- qauesiotn: if ppl want to make a check to space, who do they make it out to? Do our finance numbers reflect gym contributions?
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- No gym is not included
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- Gym is $500/month
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- Does basement pay?
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- Wood shop people pay through WF
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- Coffee pays $50/person/month thru CSA? Maybe?
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- Transparency is hard right now bc of bank account situation : how do we report all these things out bc of different revenue streams > next step: big picture look with other streams from cash and gym etc
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- For woodshed, there isn’t an option to pay $125, so I’ve been doing it combined > is there an easier way to make it $125 as a recurring donation option
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- WE DO NOT KNOW WHO. TO MAKE THE CHECK OUT TO!!! DORA WILL CHECK
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- We will have free time at the end of meeting for more chatting side bars etc
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Fundraising
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- Shea: happy to report opening party $2,600 after expenses
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- Vanessa is bottom-lining a series of events for rest of years >> NED HELP!
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- Two bake sales
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- Need volunteers day of >> reach out to Caroline & Vanessa if you want to help
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- Need flyer for 12/14 by 10/20
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- Sarah will design it
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- Market and Live Raffle for fundraiser > 11/16!!!
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- Need to gather prizes for the raffle
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- Tit will help with prize collection
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- THIS STARTS NOW
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- All priszes must be submitted by Friday 11/14 at the latest
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- Want to do presale tickets
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- NEED PERSONAL VENMO FOR THIS for presale ticket sales > bc getting a RC Venmo is tricky. Patreon is technically better > WF is high percentage 13%
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- 10:30am-5:30pm shifts for running the raffle table
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- Paul: put these asks in the GC!!!
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- Talk to your working groups about these events > we will need volunteers, flyers etc
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Facilities
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- Iris: hinge broken on left we work booth and right pantry cooler door broken hinge pls be gentle in the meanwhile ;
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- Ongoing electrical updates > part of power might be off but slowly working towards reducing number of extension cords!!!
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- YAY OVERHEAD PROEJCTOR FIX!
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- YOU ARE WELCOME TO join facilities if yo want to learn how to fix or take care of the physical space (trash)
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Tech and comms
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- LP: as mentioned I made this sechule maker tool to send out weekly schedules!!
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- This is don’t need to know details, but it’s generated from a calendar page on the wiki > there is this table that gets filed out Sundays at 630 > these meetings are attended by ppl within WGS good critical mass of people to fill out the table > exported as html fed into LPs tool, something I like is that we can even put this out to IG, we can take artwork by community members and put it on it > present opportunity where RC materials can take community solicitation but also gives opportunity for ppl to repost and tag and help propagate info
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- Cool to make a tool for all mutual aid orgs > anyone can take and use their own branding and give back to similar efforts etc
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- The calendar is getting updated on the left side bar of weibstie > now you don’t have tu use IG > these link to different things > like the dinners, yoga etc trying to provide places for ppl to go
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- LJ: question: I was thinking I noticed that the gym is mentioned in this little spot > I think it could be worth mentioning that we have open hours every day??
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- The gym is open to anyone ?
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- 6:30pm Sunday meetings brings together these calendars!! Everything possible should get onto that calendar! We needt have 3 points of contact to promote stuff!! Updates, push events, every day of event hsould have a story / post relating to it!!! We need to have a bing bang boom practice.
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- Using WF for event rsvp even free events > bc then ppl end up donating / becoming members > helps grow support
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- Non-google calendar prototype in process
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- Breakdown of WF and patreon stuff > combined stuff : $1100 from each platform > introduces interesting questions of stragegy to deep for right now > ideally we don’t want this space to be bottom-lined by big donors, we want to be the Fugazi of spaces > $5 tickets.
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- We need to watch this stuff: big chart with plateaus > I think it has to do with our presence / interactions with people and announcements !! Even the speeches and blurbs at events matter!!
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- Need for a dedicated COMMS group to handle collection and confirmation of events, daily posting, day of posting, using submitted posters, bespoke flyers, covering a bunch of different posters >>> like other comment ycallendarsy like cal red etc
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- Dealing with questions
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- Standardized copy for calls to action
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- Tech comms in particular has need for MORE PEOPLE in dev ops, infrastructure, sign on systems, analytics, reporting etc etc >> that would be extremely useful!!!
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Programming and rentals
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- No one here > Kaitlyn
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- Some events scheduled: board game night, clown class, prisoner letter writing
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- We started doing Tuesday open cowokrin hours > we had one person sign up from that
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- LJ: there was the full rental of the pace that happened recently? I think we severely undercharged the renter > is there any talk coming up with pricing for that thing?
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- There are standard rates, within a ballpark
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- There has been conversation about it > we reached loose consensus on it, based on how exclusive the rental is , we have some loose consensue > we don’t want to turn away money bc someone can’t afford the full price, it’s a diy space etc
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food pantry: Sarah
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- Compost: we have an issue; recently informed that we stopped paying for bk rot bc of cash flow issues and we found out after dealing with tons of compost
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- We didn’t hear about it ahead of time
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- Affecting dinner as well> the city just doesn’t take the compost in the city bin, they’ve never said it’s too heavy, but we call 311, they say it’s probably too heavy, but nothing ever came of it
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- But we are going to have to figure out something to do iwht it
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- JEssei: do you know when the city comes to get th compost to directly interact w the people taking it?
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- Don’t remember when> Thursday > but we haven’t been putting it out bc the city just won’t take it!! Even the smallest amount!
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- It could be combination of too heavy? Too big of bin?
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- LJ: I was wounding if it’s possible to. Get multiple smaller bins form the city?
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- The workers picking up the compost DO NOT HAVE A MECHANISM for pickin cup compost > all by hand
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- Eddie: we have had success at dinners, with just asking ppl to take it home from dinner, distributing the dinners compost has at least helped get rid of some compost
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- So oculd we help make smaller pantry compost ??
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- Sarah: bandaid solution, but wish the city would do what it says it’s going to do
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- Iris; getting a brown bin the workers would recognize more? Might yield something? Also the smart bins (orange) to ask ppl to bring it to the bins individually
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- Active debacle > do we just give it to people, just throw it out ???
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- Sarah: I think one option that is most appealing to me is figuring out a collection of small brown bins
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- So it might be a little weird for a little big
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- LP: the smart bin thing; ways for ppl to support that: those plastic cubbies you might find blocks in??? Plastic bins with open front? With map for smart bins to encourage collectivist approach to this?
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- We could get two compost carts for $75/month
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- Smart bin is the free app you can download to access a row of compost bins on St Nicholas Ave “NYC Compost” app
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- Marianne: are there community gardens?
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- Answer: no not really have capacity to take that amount consistent ly
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gym
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- LJ plugging along back there, feel free to join us
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- If anyone wants to get involved, we have certified strength trainers on Tuesdays and Sundays maybe lol it rotates but def on sundays
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- Email or dm us
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tutoring
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spokes planning - Paul
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- I. Gave a call for help
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- We need people to help setting the agenda, the room, how the stuff is going, how it’s working for the pace
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- We set up a schedule: week before meeting, there will always be a planning meeting, we didn’t announce far enough in advance this time
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- WE COUDL REALLY USE HELP
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- >date of next spokescouncil meeting will be November 13. (Need to confirm
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sunday dinner > Marianne:
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- Two consistent ppl just left!!!! >that will impact us but there is a lot of attendence after a summer dip
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- Peple are consistently volunteering, sometimes too many!
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- Eating side: turnout is fine. It’s consistent. It’s not too low unless rainy. But could be higher. We can be more active on the instagram page, but not a lot of people follow us on ig > that is something we can be working on > and the donations are not huge not a lot of profit for that
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- Being more organized for budgeting!! Maybe we should be more intentionally about planning ahead ofttimes what are the recipes we should be cooking for these 2-3 weeks and consider how much money spending and how much making > ppl who want to cook, what sclaes well and is cheap.
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- Eddie: had a lot of people come in to ask people how to find out more info? What is best place to send them?
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- LP: I think ridgewoodcommons.nyc is maybe best place?
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- LP: Want to create a coherent agreed upon answers for people wrt onboarding / new folks
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- LP: calendar sets up detail section to say anything about each event : you can add more info to communications
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- Thinking about making a regular unset fundraiser to increase engagement
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- Community dinner for xyz is a much higher turnout to be fundraising for a cause if it were just regular
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- People love themes
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tech collective - Jessie
- Notes from our meeting the other day Thursday jessie, Sy,
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- Fundraising ideas
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- Johan talked about out selling kits
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- Coffee is working on selling coffee
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- Wood working workshops sy wants to do but we need to liability waivers that we have yet to make
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- We need to figure out space for other peoples projects if we. Do workshops
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- Plan to revise and talk more about money and fundraising ideas > Tuesday night circuit hacking run by Jonah 8pm til late
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- Question about the nature of the woodshed as far as it’s relationship to RC in terms of involvement in organizing etc etc not sure how these are defined separately from one another etc etc
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- Talked bout having a basement announcements chat
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- Oriented ourselves — how do we see ourselves in relation to RC > > need announcements chat and quiet Hours!
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- FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME TO GET A LOT OF BSMENT PEPOLE TOGEHTER
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- Also talked about soft enclosure for saw dust
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tuesday reading group - no one here
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writer workshop -
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- Wer are still trying to figure out how to gain new members and money
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- Now have new instagram and slowly gaining members
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- Hopefully can finance soon
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- Some meeting with spokescouncil meeting we have had 2nd and 4th meeting for the last 2 years and then spokescouncil meeting decided to claim it but it was brushed off > now it’s conflicting again
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- So we are going to switch to 1st and 3rd Thursdays next month
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- But it is worth talking to spokes planning so we don’t conflict every other month. Part of our success has been being able to stick to 2nd and 4th thursdays
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- LP all this talk about fundraising > could just be a pitch for subscriptions > if you decided to make a zine each year > think more flexibility about how to raise cash >
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- Trying to get ppl to do $5 per meeting
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- Or throw our own fundraising event
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yoga & meditation - Iris
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- One possible thing not sure where to start not sure if thread
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- Talk of yoga on sundays again > if we actually get teachers to commit to that for late morning or early afternoon or would that want to be kept open for other rentals and programming? Needs to get to some people to decide on that or something
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- 4 different yoga teachers
Discussion (26 min)
- Checking in on how the design of the spokescouncil is actually playing out with regards to delegate rotation, working group meeting cadence, spokescouncil <-> working group bidirectional communication – open question session (20 min)
- Action item review (5 min)
- Closing remarks/ hugs (1 min)
- Pual: a concern I’m having is that the spokescouncil design was supposed to be a way to empower the WGs in the space to have control over the decisions that get made about shared use of the space > and it wasn’t clear what the domain of the decisions of spokescouncil
- In the original design, there was supposed to rotating delegates from each WG so the person who is most in touch with spokescoucnil would rotate and everyone gets direct exposure to structures etc and bidirectional communication out to groups and back to spokescouncil
- And the two week proposals deadline was designed so that groups could meet in the 2 week window so that their deliegate could know decision about the proposal
- I’m suspecting that one group of people comes to these meetings but they are not rotating that much and it’s starting to become the case that noe everyone is able to schedule meetings for buy in and ocncesnus for groups bc sehcudling is hard and maybe people are not that interested in having that happen
- SO what are other people experience???
- LJ: the gym only meets once every 3 months, but we have a group chat for daily stuff > that is why we never have updates for the spokescouncil > we have both been having trouble. Getting people t come to these meetings not exactly sure why that is. I suspect it might be because they are so often so I could see these not happening so often
- Also the 2 weeks to submit a proposal and then 2 weeks to review it but maybe that
- But yeah in terms of existsenail issues facing the sapce: those seem to be addressed by admin committees
- I would agree: I think the frequency is a struggle, with the writing group getting people to want to come to these, FEAR MENTALITY: then we are going to keep having our meetings bumped and we are going to keep getting moved so if things are decided in spokescouncil meeting that it’s ok if the WG is n’t here or can’t come, that something has been decided on our behalf? But idk t’ know how that would be done
- I think ppl are at capacity and aren’t sure if they even have anything to contribute to these discussions
- If we do every other month, that would solve not bumping the writing group meetings
- Jesse: seems to me like it might be a good idea in short term to do more frequently bc getting our feet under us as RC and then establish every other month … idk just a thought …l while we are establishing what we are doing , more frequently makes more sense to me
- Is there protocol for if not one from group can make it, maybe someone can submit a question or statement on behalf of your group at spokesconcil meeting??
- LP not established > layers to this issue, ideally in nerd wiki utopia, then g group can make a page and link it to the meeting ,and that can be submitted as a report w/o delegate
- Dora: I think the frequency get s to baseline question of what is the realm of deciosn making for spokesocunil >> if it’s ever month but but decision s can’t actually be come to , then like , ok we are just updating each other, then like I feel like try not to get into capitalist mind set of it, but feeling like there is something productive coming out of these meetings
- Dora; I agree w jessie about frequency of feet under ourselves, and what is our identity of this space through the meeting there is a danger of if it’s too infrequent then there is a danger of balance between spooks and admin collective > admin does have to step in and do a lot of things, but to maintain the democratic nature of the space and maintain the grow the sense of accountability, ownership of space, we have to spoeksocunil is a good space to work out how this can happen
- LJ: I feel like if admin committees are open for anyone to join, then I don’t think it’s antidemocratic for them to make decisions ? It’s not ideal but idk if it’s a problem per se
- IRIS: as long as there’s transparency and accountability we work with who shows up >
- lP the original concept of spokescoucil was fishbowl model where other people from grope can be around and observe > a combination of making it easier to facilitate submitted reports from group, reemphases fish bowl >
- Create easy way for groups to submit reports so they don’t HAVE to have a delgate
- Create easy way for people to watch
- Transparency should be something you can actually engage with
- So more people from WGs can attend if they want to don’t have to join a group, just a thing they can go to
- LJ: we should be meeting monthly rn but also I think a less frequent meeting schedule would encourage engangent Bc ppl come to “the big meeting” > because we have them every month, ppl don’t come to them;
- Pual: there was always a plan to have a 6 monmth check kin after we started to assess how its’s going
- Is anywone awayre of proposal that didn’t happen but were worked on??
- Iris; had some influence about library?? With Road? Idk.
- Meeting Sunday to talk about what to do about the space behind the projector (library)
- Jessie: I feel like I heard ideas about that space: does anyone have a list of those suggestion?
- Seha: I think the meeting tomorrow is to being those ideas together, I also have heard several ideas for limited space >> that conversation needs to happen before proposal can be written to collectively share vision
- LP I could list proposal and meetings that could be wanted but why what’s the point of the question?
- Pual: how much of a hinderance is the 2-week proposal model??? Are ppl frustrated by it/? >> are there no proposals bc no ideaes or bc structural issue??
- LJ I was just curious no proposals in mind
- LP I hav proposals in mind but obstacle is just so much work
- LP meetings;
- Onboarding > present output of meeting a call for commentary
- General layout strategies for space use > result in commentary proposal
- Big conversation about space identity and strategy as it relates to how much we rely on rental vs membership how the space identity is formed via financial
- LJ: PR group could come up with onboarding package for people; once we are done with this branding push
- Dora: 1. I do wonder the fact that we are kind of in crisis mode wrt financial stuff, if that is another reason why proposals are less > so as things settle, maybe more proposals will come up once we are out of “we just need money” mode > maybe easier for ppl to think of other things later; 2. I forget
- Paul: has anyone rotated? Most people here have rotated
- Paul: I think we can continue these conversations if ppl wanna join spokescouncil planning group
- Jessie: question about finances; first time I’m hearing a lot of the specifics, basically is there a chunk of change that we have to cover stuff besides monthly stuff? How worried are we about being able to pay rent??
- Wer are in pretty dire straits!!!!!!
- We have been hit with some pretty big bills!
- We DON’T have a chunk of change. Vanessa is bottom lining a bunch of fundraiser to bring in $8-9k this fall. But that’s just one thing. We need ppl to do more.
- Fundraising and finance are separate wings!! Finances is day to day management; fundraising is how to get to those goals set by finances
- WE NEED MONEY
- Rachel: with con ed bill have we talked about payment plan? I know those get annoying over time?? This happens to peel and there are ways to spread it out over time > Dora will ask other f finance groups > don’t want to be in debt > they try to keep your bill at the same level every month >> might be useful!!
- Dora: people should make their checks out to MONK WORX LLC/corp??? Two words. Clarify Ridgewood Commons in the Memo! Make sure to communicate this and it’s clear to everyone!! In coms!! MEMO NOTE IS VERY IMPORATTN
- TIT: I do want to vocal that we had written contract with Matt that most of woodbines contributions are thru WF and Patreon bc of their involvement with WGs >. Contract said that he would let ALL DONORS KNOW > he has NOT posted / notified donors > he is so far violating that part of the contract > Vanessa is takin the “focus on fundraising” > Tit will reach out to Matt to push him on that bc make ppl aware of where their money is going
- Iris: iv’e s tarted workin with Mike to potentially hardcore and noise show so if you want to help plan a show!! Tabling merch etc or start your won thing>> everyone should feel empowerd to create their own shows at any time
- Not here > bc trying to do places that don’t charge us for show that we can make money off
- Paul : should we go over action items??
- Ada: las meeting we had a finance what we had this much in the bank ?? Do we have that number now?
- answer: person from monk worx just got back from wedding > w e don’t have log in yet should have in next couple of days so we can look at finances much more easily and do more reporting!! To show what’s coming in and what’s missing
- Shea: has Matt written a check for gym donations??????? HE OWES US GYM RENT???
- Dora: my understanding with these things: we’ve just been told tough fucking luck …. Some of these things, the fact that patreon and WFs not communicating is potentially not legal!! Also there is a written agreement to all these things
- LP: one thing unclear in these convos: it’s not clear that there is someone who is a paid member of patreon woodbine?? We don’t think a message was sent out??
- TIT: no we have multiple people who have been on the WF and Patreon for Woodbine who have said no message from Patreon or WF
- Even if the newsletter said it…..that’s not enough
- LJ: I know Matt socially, if we could come up with what we actually need him to do, if there is a “subtle way” > Johnny also has been in convo
- LP: Woodbien over 10 yers had $3500 / monthly but we’ve been able to do $2400 in just two months!! WE CAN DO THIS
- Lets get our copy figured out
- Dora: is there still a points of unity group?
- IRIS: it’s a GC non responsive
- But you could be added to it > that’s one thing that was always a frustration in this space as WB and seems like something that this group has talked about a bit, but yeah what is this space, what are the points of unity?? What does onboarding work?? Etc etc etc >>> see draft that Paul referenced early in meeting
- Jessie: is there a thing “here’s rc ??? The instagram??
- Girl what
- Is there a ready made post? >> yes it’s a pinned post on IG, and qrs for donations
- Is there a specific person in spokes planning that writers could taklk to? Paul
- Shea: from fundraising: start talking to your groups about volunteers opportunities !! Bake sales markets etc plug in
- LP: put this forward in a nice digestible format for people to actually get involved
- Get involved with the spokescouncil planning group! > come on sundays at 6:30 > show up to Sunday dinners
- Get involved with admin committees !
- Ada: what doe ppl know abt our relationship w landlord? If we do fall behind on rent? Back payment plan? Eviction ? Doesanyoen know?
- Dora: agreement btwn Matt and leaseholders > if RC can’t maintain the space, then Matt can swoop back in!
- That is just btwn RC and Matt
- With Dino the landlord not sure - mostly jus doesn’t want to be bothered
- He doesn’t seem like a tight ass , have allowed ppl to change lease; we could work something out
- DONE
Emergency council meeting notes
07-06-2025, 8:30-10:30 @ 585 Woodward
585 Collective Transition Meeting - Date: 07-06-2025 @ 585 Woodward
Agenda
Goal
The goal of this collective meeting is to amend and then ratify the transition plan so that the collective as a whole can move forwards. After that, we will discuss putting the transition plan into practice.
Agenda
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Agenda overview, facilitation, stack, goals (5 min)
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Reading of documents (25 min)
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Discussion, conversation, and amendments to transition proposal (1 hr)
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Ratification (amendment) of proposal (5 min)
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Naming (15 min as time remains)
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Sunday, July 6th 8:30pm at 585 Woodward
(rachel is taking notes)
PLEASE READ AND REVIEW THE LINKED DOCUMENTS IN ADVANCE
Goal
The goal of this collective meeting is to amend and then ratify the transition plan so that the collective as a whole can move forwards. After that, we will discuss putting the transition plan into practice.
Notes
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Discussion, conversation, and amendments to transition proposal (1 hr)
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Response: it’s not a vote, its an agreement
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R: this is what we are willing to compromise on as lease holders, the idea is to move forward so we can be operational again
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If it’s not a proposal
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R: the proposal is what we are giving to the co directors to show what our collective intention was moving forward > based on 6-7 meetings
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R: the amendments are not substantial changes to anything the proposals says, they are things we are mentioning as requirements for leaseholders to feel a little more comfortable (doesn’t feel “comfortable” as it stands)
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R: reading now and responding may not be possible
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R: everyone will be involved > it’s not “ratified” per se, bc larger community hasn't seen it > if people have strong amendments to amendments document, it can still be changed before it’s ratified
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So if we can vote on it in 45 mins > i don’t think anyone will leave this meeting happy
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If we do not move forward we will not meet financial goals for rent
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Q: “it sounds like there is some space for offering concerns or alterations? But liability holders these are your terms for moving forward > and the urgency for tonight is because it’s been taking too long, and if we use two more days, not possible
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R: “two more days tends to tumble into weeks”
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Resp: what i had in mind for this, is i’m a little confused about stack thing – the idea is that this is merely an articulation of liability concerns we’ve already laid out
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We do not have ability to dissolve working group bc annoyed or whatever, but if there are things that come up that make the space unworkable, if people are defacing property, putting on risk-heavy events, disregarding MOU, that can effectively mean individual members > or a problem that can become endemic to a whole group > if there is a group that proves itself to be that much of a problem, legal concern, they have to leave
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R: the first document is SIGNED and passed. You will not be seeing them.
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Q: “august 1 deadlines” > how do we know ?
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R: it’s in the second and third documents
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R: for anyone not a leaseholder, the main thing is cease using “woodbine”
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R: anything that has a deadline attached i’m happy to share . anything that pertains to anyone here, we can duplicate and share
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Q: asking for info shared with spokes council and admin groups
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R: fair enough .. these deadlines are somewhat flexible because contingent upon finding fiscal sponsors
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R: deadlines may change but happy to give those deadlines
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1. We will not be able to define “3 tasks”
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2. Anything that is unilateral, i don't have issue if it's part of lease holder, but i want it to be inclusive > i don’t want to hear about it later, through the grape vine > COMMUNICATION
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R: SURE > yes the coordinators chat for those questions and answers, esp when pressed to make sure a unilateral decision
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R: every other action goes through conflict support first
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R: unfortunately it’s the opposite: i think it’ll be nearly impossible to take away access related to anything related to replicate the space
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R: honor system thing? Spreadsheet thing? Extractive relationships to the space? But people are already mad at me
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Q: what about dues-paying people?
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R; either dues paying or task-fulfilling > either or or , generous and open-ended
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R: as far as i’m aware, personal harm is PRoactive, don't know of any situations
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R: other liability issues: we are all in a room full of cell phones so not going to say all those things> common sense, some of them relate to harm that could happen in woodshop, machinery, Trump era affiliations, all sorts of things > I can't anticipate everything that would happen
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So coordinators chat: when these things come up, why such a decision was made
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DO NOT GET ARRESTED IN THE SPACE => IMMEDIATE LEASE TERMINATION
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R: assuming risk in what sense? On your own behalf is different
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Q: another red wave swept away by CIA > are we just gonna stop associating with any group that is currently targeted? R: NO
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3 minute limit total w 1 min warning
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“We have all the people that need to chat here” for friendly amendments
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Q: are we voting on something tonight? (amendments)
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Q: that is clearer now; i think naming this as a proposal is misleading bc it’s an agreement we don’t have an option to discuss; first document is agreement between leaseholders and co directors; second document is collective document; FINAL document is “proposal” > this is misleading language as an offer with room to discuss and make changes > doesn’t feel prepared for agreement
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Agenda > 5 minutes for ratification: i assumed meant voting but apparently not the case?? Question: what is the PLAN?
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Q; which project is being taken is highly contentious:
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Q; the ability to dissolve working groups seems to be in admin, think it would be better in the hands of the spokescouncil
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Q: i am curious: first document not being online > is there any sort of hard copy available to spokes council or coordinators? How do we keep track of relevant timelines ?
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Q: clarification: the amendments offered by leaseholders, i take it to heart, they are in order “to feel comfortable”: but they are not written in stone > this is always changeable in the future
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Q: theres’ a number of mentions of unilateral actions:
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Q: “so wrt access” 1. Who or how are ppl held accountable for these 3 tasks? There's nobody here to vouch that i did xyz tasks? 2. I paid for access > does that affect task requirement? 3. I would imagine there are certain limits to what people can do > tasks that are highly specialized > it feels general and vague and doesn’t show how we can hold people accountable > access revoked when their contributions aren’t being recognized
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Q: lots of legal indemnification mentions in first document: what are some examples of legal risk in the past? General idea of legal risk: what are legal risks and what should we try to avoid? Mentions of threats of personal harm? Is that something we need to worry about?
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Q: time for amendment: the idea that in order to manage this membership issue, we have a membership committee> there is an admin council empowered to manage thing on behalf of entire members > manges codes, manages that people are doing what they say that they’re doing > keeps labor off of lease holders >
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R: could that be part of the next spokescouncil meeting?
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R: SURE
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R: i think this is something that is hard for me to answer on the spot
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R: my understanding of membership is de facto: if you are involved in a working group: i don’t think there should be reasons to remove membership unless they are continually doing actions that place us in legal liability, and managing membership, i don’t know what that means if we are doing honor code type system? It seems unmanageable with so many people? Overly bureaucratic? Very messy? So i’m open to maybe tabling that amendment in the interest of ratifying, and returning to what membership looks like
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Q: in terms of “tabling” there is a future conversation where we will be having a collective conversation?
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Q: spokes council creatse policy, admin implements with veto power if it involves liability and threat than the whole
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Q: FIRST I WANT To acknowledge hard work that went into this and emotional time for a lot of people and the space; been involved since the beginning, “wondering about gym collective we have a policy that’s similar in terms of reproductive work for space – would the guideline around ppl wanting to do “3 tasks” – would those qualify? What is the overlap of task responsibility between working groups and space as whole?
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R: these emails will go out as soon as we “are operational” hopeful next days > describing what these spaces are, and option to donate to one or both
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Agreed to 3 contacts
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R: i personally would like to see it extend beyond; these tasks are not as arduous as they seem: taking out garbage one night .. . since this is an honor system i wouldn't’ worry yourself too much
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Q: i saw that “585 space” is going to be contacting donors – is WB going to make it clear that it’s no longer associated with all groups staying at 585>
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Q: mentioned 6 months later meeting about whether spokes and admin councils are working out? What are the format and invites of the meeting? Would it be a format different than a regular spokes council meeting
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R: i think we don’t really know – something we wrote during meetings; we needed to push through a structure w/ accountability to leaseholders, and keep the space going, and emphasise integration with collective body > we think it has legs, but want to make space for it needing lots of changes > 6 month review will be time for feedback and working it out > we are committed to reviewing it in 6 months ,and on the
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Q: for people not part of spokes, they would want to be at that meeting
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R: i predict it will be a lot like this meeting > review the explainer document for spokescouncil and meetings and harm reduction
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Q: id’ like to understand how and why events have played out the way they have; i haven’t been at any meeting, summer time , a lot of people not
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R: SPOKESCOUNCIL WEBSITE wiki: please then share them to all the working groups
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R: I’ve been frustrated at some of the spokescouncil meetings, bc i’ve been part of this process for a very long time > i do feel like it is almost owed to people a kind of anodyne a somewhat description of events of how things ended, i think that could be a goal
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R: sure but let’s not name names
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R: a lot of people have disparate feelings and views
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Q: i would like to make space and time for this discussion in the future, especially with donors?
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R: THere are lots of one on one conversations we can have; first both spaces it is suicidal to donors
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Q: doesn't want one-on-one
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R: that is going to be rough; idk if you want to do that
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R: delivering news of the split was at the big meeting > how often are we going to repeat this story
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R: are there any amendment that kind of details note-taking at these meetings > and how will these notes be posted? There are notes posted in groups? Is there a drive with all these ???
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Q: useful for everyone to describe liabilities in insurance documents? \
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R: Would you be willing to read 145 pages ? Would you be willing to read a 145 page document?
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R: the crux of issues will be in MOU liability document
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Q: Jumping back: to this model of this way we are moving forward is proposing a culture of accountability, where we can secure our access to the space through different activities > things could be fulfilled based on working group use and needs > an ideal to aspire to using gym model where we sign up on a google sheet and we self document; this is a very messy and complicated thing that we need to achieve without blowing our heads up about immediate thing in how we interact w space > even non-key people need to follow through with use of the space >
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R: i’m open to formalizing this
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R: Formalization is not going to come in the immediate term, not a hammer over heads, but we also have to be willing to hold the hammer for most gentle needs of the space
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Q: instead of like “who’s showing up and taking names” > mention of “End Of Week cleaning” and trash days > where everyone can see it >
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Can we highlight them
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R: YES
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Projector question: the differences in where they are and access, and I
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R: This is a little complicated
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R: the opening of this space
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R: did matt buy it directly
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Q: i wanted to share my unique perspective of this, bc just came back from year long mental health from WB, before which i was doing a lot things w/ a lot of people ; part of coordinator and even co director, but then things happen, and now i see myself coming back from coma? What the fuck is happening to the whole thing? I am hopeful for this new future, i am a little bit sad that we kind of collectively failed as WB project in this space; my concern for the new structure is the SAME as for old structure: COMMUNICATION – i want people to be able to be encouraged to have agency while we have harmony and don’t step on each others toes; community building is hard task, we don’t have blueprint, give us some slack and grace as we all try to keep going > worried about not giving enough AGENCy, esp to new people: where should i go what should i do?
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R: two people reach outed to me as professional conflict resolvers
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R: ppl from within 585 can be involved
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Q: “conflict resolution training” > somebody from outside coming into to prevent certain groups from having power over other groups
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Q: a lot of sadness, transition pains, i encourage everyone to look at spokescouncil explainer and proposal document > THere was a lot of effort to try to overcome the pain points from before > it’s there and people are thinking about it and have been
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Q: as far as conflict resolution: formalizing stuff, a lot of it can be done in the spokescouncil > >esp with CLEANING > for conflict resolution, i love the idea of outside person coming esp when things are really big, who don’t have a particular bias; for transparency, i would be point person of conflict resolution, but i was also going to reach out to eternal person to get trained, and to be an ambient vibe check for people to bring up concerns; with liability concerns and space use > talk to the person first, remediation first, and then safe space where people can put conflict concerns forward > things are maybe emerging into bigger conflict, and people can discuss, to try to avoid personal bias and proactively reach out to someone outside the space
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R: q about liability and conflict support: “e.g. some event proposal’ - we can’t do that . not really a conflict support thing. As for how conflict support operates, we don’t have a clear idea of that, and figure out in spokes council moving forward
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R: in terms of agency, there are a lot of people that are more silence, not represented here, doing a lot of invisible work, not speaking up in spokes council
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R: we haven’t actually had a spokescounilc meeting yet
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R: one of the emphasis is visible-izing labor that isn’t always visible
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R: for example, folks who clean up after hours > some formalized process
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R: that is the goal
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Q: some questions about MOU from earlier, i was one of the signatures, i think it’s fair that people want to see it; i think that we could share the parts of it that are relevant > i will follow up on that: i want to say something POSITIVE, WE got a really good opportunity here with the two-wheel model, of organizing the space from the bottom up, this is the goal of the spokes council, > working groups having meetings and bringing proposals to spokescouncil meetings and making sure that spokescouncil will have a lot of say in everything that is going on > good idea to table some of that nitty gritty for later meeting
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Q: at one point you mentioned estimated loss of $2k income > where did that figure come from?
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We are also going to be able to democratize fundraising
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Lots of energy and excitement over new model a
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Important to focus on being able to bring in new money to support the space and have more transparency !
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Please come to me (Dora) if you have any deep and dirty question for the spreadsheet > highly encourage people to contribute if you can
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R: we are going to assume that we are losing some coworkers > ones who are not super active but still signed up
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With friends and patreon bring in almos $4k–we estimate to lose half
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Honestly i think it will be $3k loss
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Memorial fund also moving to WB
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R: in that document, there’s an overview, but i put together a spreadsheet for anyone that wants the weeds and dirty details of it all, talk to Dora > in that document i didn’t include $1.5k in so doesn't have to be included in OUT
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Q: Dues model: probably for spokescouncil : can we do an optional dues model? Like i think some people can contribute small models
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R: that’s how the new patreon and withfriends will work, with tiers
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FAcilitator: great operational question not yet in proposal > we need to agree that we are moving forward with this ??? can we do this in a week?
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An action item for US is what is part of next spokescounicl meeting and when is it??
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I don’t think anyone wants to stay till 12am.
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POINT OF PROCESS: Is this now a vote??? Do we need to vote?
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“I feel like poor record keeping”
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“I;ve read it” - the wiki doc reading through the same notes that i read when i was abroad in finland, without getting a sense of the issues that lead to this split
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R: “coordinators model > Where people are informally invited into a chat based on their commitment to space > co director space and chat and model fell apart from it not working” that’s the shortest answer I can give
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R: That is NOT what we are talking about at this meeting
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R: please stop thinking about this as “split” > similar programming and friendships > R: i don’t understand getting into personal drama for ratifying
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Q: i want these changes to respond more to history directly in each document?
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R: do you have an amendment for your concern ? > No
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DOES ANYONE NOT WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? OTHER THAN ME (JOHNNY)
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“I FEEL like i have a lot of questions that haven’t been answered”
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I AM SECONDING CONCERNS FOR BETTER COMMUNICATION/RECORD KEEPING>
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R: i think that is AN accurate response/account
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R: i am fine with that happening but i want HARD DATE for these to actually form and happen
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R: probably not next week?
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R: probably no vote tonight? So we can all vote next sunday
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R: We need to start getting money; we have been rejected twice now > we have someone this week we think we CANNOT HOLD UP MUCH LONGER
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R: “my comment is that not everybody is here tonight, not everyone reads everything > tell your groups! Spokescounicl forming soon, get ready, read documents”
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R: “this is not the end all be all - -if shit not ideal, not holding up, that is going to be how we get through the next few months; i don't want us to get stuck in the weeds trying to get into the clearing
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R: ‘everything is subject to revision” spokescouncil is place for the revisions > so much could happen: everything could fall apart, there’s no guarantees > this is us just broadly saying we agree with the general direction moving forward> we need to start getting FINANCES
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R: i said i would table that
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R: thanks i like that
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R: YES.
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The purpose of the meeting is that we are formally on the lease, we need safeguards, but otherwise we are are somewhat ready (amendments document just needs some space to breathe)
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PROPOSAL: until spokescouncil is elected and has its own meetings: can we continue to have meetings every sunday after diner to do these kinds of meetings
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Proposal for Collective Stewardship of 585 Space
CLARIFICATIONS AND EXPANSIONS TO 585 SPACE TRANSITION PROPOSAL
06-22-2025 "Leadership and Accountability" Breakout Group Meeting
Spokescouncil Meeting - Date: 06-22-2025
6.22.25 Leadership & Accountability Meeting
AGENDA:
1. Names & cute weekend
- Johnny update
- Leadership structure : integration of spokes council with “leaders” (Point People) and how they related to one another
- We need point people for LL
- But also spokes people need real power
- Lease Stuff — power dynamics & pain points
- Johnny In-Person & more lease stuff
- Pitfalls: RENTALS and liabilities
- Fiscal Sponsorship
- When we step out of this meeting what do we want:
- How general spokes relate to steering spoke?
- Gets us through emergency period > without gaining long term weird power
- Like a sunset clause into it > 6 months later, the proposal structure document of structure must be edited
- Would General Assembly style replace spokes council after a while of building trust and moving again?
Tomorrow:
- Break into 2-3 groups to draft a proposal (using “Katelyn’s” document as a template)
- Go through spokes proposal decision making process
- Friendly amendments
- Discussion questions etc
- Synthesis
- OR ppl self-select into a “proposal committee”
Page wants to know what the steering element is of the structure “spokes council”
- Concerns about certain material things in the space that need to happen : RENT, repairs, rentals, programming, communications
- Is the spokescouncil ready to take on all those tasks?
- So idea is to have SPECiFIC POINT PEOPLE (TITLE) so that they can commit to keeping up that work so that it doesn’t fall through the cracks to keep the reproduction of space moving forward
- Meanwhile spokes council needs to have real power
- >> How to integrate those TWO important aspects, during nascent transitional phase
UPDATE: Briar: “Admin Collective” > steps away from any language we’ve used in the past, highlights “collective” nature; highlights un-sexy necessity of important admin work, without being called “leader” or anything like that
- Brooklyn “Leader-ful” rather than “Leader-less” > distinct from being “in charge” without making decision > all this shit needs to be done, anyone can do it, but you gotta commit to doing it
- Being on ‘directorship” > there would be areal split on decisions > ie calendar access > taking away things without real reasons only breeds resentment > invisible power defaulting to what Matt wanted because we weren’t able to come to an agreement >> so if half of directorship disagrees >>> what DO WE DO?
= a void in That process > exhaustion
= sometimes you simply need to make a decision
“Admin collective” > you have specific tasks, 9 people doing 9 specific things, (Odd number so no ties) > feedback, digesting decisions > spokes council to have feedback “tickets” to give anonymous feedback
- Spacewide deacon made : voted on spokes council > ie keeping office hours > “how’s this going” about each decision that is made? = report backs for any kind of proposal at each meeting other explain how it’s going, other feedback on how it’s actually going
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Meeting with Dino:
- Everything hit in message from Vanessa
- Tried to gently propose everything to LL without seeming like we are in crisis
- Johnny’s dad is sick > might have to move > feeling out how llc would work (no:
- LL wants to keep the status quo as much as possible
- Matt self indemnify is ok
- Add Vanessa is ok
- Longer term: would be open to reassignment, but it’s just so early in the 10 year lease
- LL Don’t want instability
- Indeterminate amount of time: lease arrangement: Matt indemnify, Add Vanessa
- Concerns about basement and kitchen
- Insurance things that might change, nothing devastating but could change
- >> agenda item for Monday: BASEMENT CLEANUP!! Due in 6 weeks
- Shelving too close to pipes easy fix issue
- The hole front area where there aren’t 3d printers etc but just “stuff’ everywhere is fire hazard, things we ‘ve talked about getting rid of
- Collective cleaning day
- LL will be redoing steps anyway
- >> we can make a group to figure it out, not time on Monday meeting to discuss further
- NO EMERGENCIES >
- July is paid: that will come out of the total money that we are being given as part of 3-month seed money runway
Fiscal sponsorship: Tyler EVLoves is a organization that gives us the meals for food pantry
- 5 yrs relationship
- They help out a lot
- Johnny knows Tyler for a long time: seems like he’d be down
- Initial transfer of funds 5-6% > 585 would lose a couple thousand $$ > $1-2k fee to EVLoves
- QUESTION: 4200 x 3$
- WG $6-7k >> should not be part of runway money
- CSA $4k
- PANTRY GRANT QUESTIONS: does the fee take away from grant money?? (Sarah says $5000 left has to be spent this month) > should not be part of runway money
- Any money raised “for the space” should not be considered as part of the runway money that Matt mentioned
- > LOOSE AGREEMENT : NEEDS TO BE HASHED OUT MORE DETAIL ABOUT WHAT MONEY IS INCLUDED AND WHAT ISN’T
- Negotiate a separate bank account
- QUESTION: fiscal sponsorship:
- Autonomedia is a rare situation, subsidiary, WB “owns” autonomedia > we are under their nonprofit umbrella
- Tax filing > WB is separate from Autonomedia > separate from farm share
- Personal relationships: level of trust with Autonomedia
- Makes WB part of a non profit??
- What is the point of being a subsidiary of another nonprofit in this autonomedia model?? : needing a bank account that was not entirely attached to someone’s personal finances > how to get debit cards > old bank account had very few permissions > “Teen bank account” asking every time you needed to withdraw
- So need to suss out what EVLOVES is open to
- There are initial set up fees ($100s, not too big setback)
- Briar: would like 585 to become an organization with our own financial history, credit history, relationship with financial institution > setting that in motion, having our own bank account, more flexibility moving forward (501 c3)
- Does Matt money need to be tax-deductible ? Yes, that is required
- RAFT > “you can’t take funds from a charity bank account and move them to non-charity w/o penalty”
Lease as relates to leadership / structural stuff: LIABILITY
- Vanessa and Johnny on “Admin Collective”
- “What’s going in upkeep and programming”
- Insurance policy: haven't looked at it yet: Andy in insurance will look over to make sure it protects us
- Lots of children party rentals
- Parents sue quickly
- Make sure we are protected
- Event insurance per event $30-100 can be padded into rental fees
- Make sure that rentals are covered by insurance >> Vanessa is corresponding with Andy to make sure rentals are covered
How to create structures that integrate with “admin collective” & “spokes council”
- Avoiding "director' and “leader”
- Ppl committed to material reproduction of the space > make sure the space is supported so that it can exist
- Ash: clear idea they would propose, doesn’t want to edge out other models if other people want to put concrete ideas forward:
- Iris: once we have defined roles, we send them out to the working groups, ppl can start to self identify, voting process for roles? (IWW point of reference / experience > delegates voted yearly)
- Idea is that roles should change hands
- Briar: tow bicycles wheels: admin council & membership council
- Switch wheels in metaphor:
- Admin wheel is the rear power wheel keeping the rotation moving, keeping bike moving
- General membership is front wheel > steers the bike! > they have empowered admin to power the bike on their behalf
- Admin council then meeting on its own to discuss reproduction > they have representative to go to WG to discuss admin stuff > they are the only spoke with veto power > but everyone else has 2 block power
- But if there is sa specific concern about FINANCES or LIABILITY > THEY CAN VETO
- But it has to be JUSTIFIED
- On the other end: general spokes are the ones empowering the admins to be able to
- They can send direction to admin on how they want to handle schedule for now on, but admins are still DOING it
- QUESTION: WHAT HAPPENS FOR SPLIT MOMENT DECISION EMERGENCY: (bc proposal meeting are only monthly)
- WE don’t have emergency council bc stepping on Matt’s toes
- We need to define what we do in emergency situations: for now, that’s up to the admin council
- So like: if someone is storing a bunch of furniture in the space, or someone is threatening people > a decision on the fly > that would be in the domain of the spokescouncil
- We don’t have a way to make that decision yet
- But Johnny thinks he should be able to make that call since he’s on the lease
- Admin collective made of various spokes: Liability Collective could enforce rental agreement or something more emergency oriented
- Johnny: concern about a EMERGENCY threat
- Natalie tired to mention: discomfort with vagueness of decision making around stuff like this”
- We should come up with a list of examples of NON STARTERS to make the lease holders to feel safe
- (Electric)
- Lease holders are by extension admin collective > we have to trust that there must be immediate action when safety and direct liability are involved
- Things that threatened our fiscal sponsorships
- >> COME up with this list of NON starter items
- Things that can be brought up at later spokes meetings
- These are very serious decisions daily
- There are joyful decisions that can be better > ie grill: one person in the space decided that there should be a grill in the space, but some random person just bought it and brought it > disorganized now
- We can always circle back to HOW a decision was made and try to correct when a decision feels bad
- natalie: in finance, after the super bowl looking at $400 purchase > 2-six foot sandwiches ? ?? it was this fun thing. >> example of a kind of thing where how do we set a collective rules around those kinds of things : Super Bowl sandwich should not be a unilateral decision
- “Liability Spoke” function as EMERGENCY COMMITTEE: SOME group of people that responsible for calling shots, tap or show up to deal with the guy on the couch threatening people
- “Liability committee” should just be lease holders?
- Someone with some legal experience should please join that to please give some guidance on that
- Johnny: V and J and Maybe D as lease holders kind of permanent
- People on finance: Calvin, Dora, Natalie > kind of permanent, some room for turnover, but MUST have training > “long term’ rather than permanent
- Grants
- Programming
- Two people: trainable
- NO group should have 2 people
- No group should be too big
- 2-3 ppl per group
- Rentals
- Programming
- Grants
- Finance
- Liability committee
- Ash: picture in notes: wheel metaphor:
- Admin council wheel:
- Contains all th things we talked about
- Has POINT PERSON COMMITTED TO DOING THAT ROLE SO NOTHING FALLS THROUGH CRACKS
- THEN there are support people on those committees, and these people come from SPOKES COUNCIL
- So that there is spokes council oversight for the people who are “point person”
- eg: fi admin council is made up committees: has bottom liner person > they have oversight from WG people who are representing WGs within that committee
- These decisions on a daily basis
- No one is alone, there is always help to make those decisions
- Spokes council continues to meet every month: WG’s
- People who are coming out of WGs into committees should be self-selecting as a group of people who want to be in rotation of trying out a bunch of different things and roles so they can support the point person in that role for some time, but the self selected group can choose to go through admin roles > general competence goes up > accountability goes up > no one forced into that role
- VOTING: for the interim: might be a little slow for these bottom liners > should be ppl who know they have CAPACITY, EXPERIENCE > voting might be a small group of people > we don’t know everybody, someone might feel like they can do a job, but maybe not
- Voting can also be popularity context
- Point people get a review every 6 months
- Wanna keep going?
- You’re not suited to the role > mechanism to swap out into a new person who has built up trust and experience
- Admin council wheel:
- Switch wheels in metaphor:
- Iris: Comms example vs Locations: it’s depending on who is willing to show the fuck up to do the work
- So committees might need to be bigger for some committees vs other depending on needs
- MENTORSHIP needs to be a big part of this
- There are certain elements of model : ideals for long. Term that might not help (voting on every role right now)
- Examples in explainer document about what is “proposal’ spokes council meeting decision vs Admin Collective decision
- Unilateral decisions can still come under review at meetings
- More openness to do stuff w/o decision making bureaucracy
- But also feedback and mentorship
- JohnnY: how does programming :
- Admin council role: hash out points of unity and partnerships
- White ness, cis-ness > programming can reflect that: deter others
- Ie friend who wanted to do narcan training: how to make the. Space feel more welcoming to different populations
- Opening dialogues
- Not just optics, but real training for people to help community
- How do we position woodbine to have more to invite broader community to come?
- PROGRAMS: SIGNAL THAT PPL INVITED : BUT WITH REAL BENEFITS
- Relates to liability, rentals, points of unity
- So its part of admin collective
- Admin council role: hash out points of unity and partnerships
- Briar: want us to be explicit about power relationship between admin collective and wg spokes with exception of liability committee
- All the rest of spokes of admin collective are empowered by general collective >. That means general collective is shoeing to give this power or REVOKING that
- If Geneal collective doesn’t like it, they can add demands
- Ie. Demand more black programming from programming committee
- +>>> therefore, programming must be more aligned/ in tune with Liability, Points of Unity, etc !!
- Programming can handle the heat of disagreements about “where does programming actually come from?” Not unilateral addressing more broadly
- PAIN POINT: Other groups have to get permission
- So having a programming committee would help with that clarity
- JOHNNY: there’s been an understanding in the past about our points f unity that are written on the website, that new people have not read, that expressly expresses an ideological line > that’s why Matt and Andy do the programming , so that’s how the space has always been
- Now that we don’t have that unity
- It’s unclear where that’s happening
- So there’s a break out group that’s “four random people” > but it’s a clarity of 400 people > so how do you get people on the same page > it’s not something we have membership with
- Developing point s of unity in a break out group: is that really gonna represent “the community”
- Reflect on the full history of who has been pushed out
- SO WHAT IS A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING POINTS OF UNITY THAT HONORS HISTORY AND WHY PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO FOLLOW THAT HISTORICALLY : ESP TRANS, FEMME, BLACK FOLKS NOT FEELING WELCOME
- J: I think every iteration of WB has had those people
- There was an explicit line against identity politics > but tacit cultural stuff > would love to identify it
- It’s very different now: J point me to where I could be wrong / points of tension:
- V: ABC NO RIO: document; each wG has a charter!!
- So for food pantry : the order something runs, onboarding ,volunteers
- Etc so how everything gets run, everyone agrees on it
- MISSION STATEMENTS; They can be simple:
- What they are
- What they’re not
- POINTS OF UNITY wishlist: an autonomous space thats qt bipoc > that feels disingenuous > do not do this
- V: love the similar bike pitches > I would feel safest
- With finance spoke collective : Dora Natalie Calvin all involved, 3 is a good number > in your number, C is driver for food pantry and basement, N is CSA, D is kitchen > So that makes me very safe as a lease holder ! So we don’t have to micromanage this > so V feels really good about that > so with the ADMIN COLLECTIVE I WANT TO SEE MORE PEOPLE THAT I TRUST AND WORK WELL WITH
- And then we can have new people move in later in like 6 months 2-3 months
- 6-month review of bottomliners > rotation of the other people not materially necessary to making the space run smoothly
- N: we have a personal relationship: so someone i've met only twice, maybe they also have make charter doc
- V: feel safe if I had a not lead role! I can be in liability, comms, I want to know more about fundraising > but FALL > I do NOT have time for this stuff and can’t take this added responsibility > I don’t want to be seen as taking power
- A new pain point: that Directorship I thought was a closed situation > was open if you dm’ed a certain person
- NEEDS TO BE CLEAR HOW TO GET INVOLVED IN THE ADMIN COLLECTIVE
- IF YOU WANT TO HELP, HOW DO YOU GET ON-BOARDED
- People with super helpful backgrounds (therapists, legal, etc)
- If we don’t vote the point people in, how?
- I think for now, who’s been grandfathered in by DOING THE MOST WORK on the space, on the spokes council > we need to steer ship through the next 6 months!
- Fill all those roles with redundancy with those people
- Ash: Those of us who’ve been around longer to pick roles and present it to people as an interim thing to get things going : as proof on concept, iv’e been staring this meetings, and people seem cool with it and know it needs to happen and know it’s not a permanent thing at all
- So the point people for rentals for example: we have a bottom linter: and then we have supports, that are just parts of the general community that would be showing up at meetings “as representative” by proxy of just showing up
- We WANT PEOPLE IN ADMIN WHO ARE ACTUALLY PART OF THE SPACE / WGs
- How to onboard people into that working group: do research if there are conflict around spokes council
- Clear onboarding and outboarding > how to get removedBE CLEAR ABOUT ROLES AND EXPECTATIONS AND HARDLINE AND CLEAR TERMS OF MAINTAINING ROLE
- IIN A CHARTER: if you don’t fulfill role, you will be asked to leave, it’s ok, you can come back later
- I: admin council: back tire: this is going to be a signal chat with pp from different admin groups making decision as they come up
- Not every emergency needs everyone's decision
- Ie roof leaking: does programming person need to know about roof leak
- But locations committee is the one choosing how to stop the leak
- Sussing out what needs group decision or doesn’t
- So like if there was a $$ high ticket rental, they would be in
- N: idea of coordinators: that there would be communication, publicly, how decision went down, so conflict isn’t siloed
- HARD THING ABOUT SIGNAL CHATS: STRIKING balance of transparency, relevancy and clutter and open communication
- How to NOT mute the chat forever
- Admin council needs to be accountability
- >> talk about signal chat etiquette / expectations
- V: if someone were to text group chat / tell me directly, hey the door handle is broken : “liability issues” : my first instinct is to call people and run over with my power drill and the people constantly fixing the space
- Change code every 30 days
- I would make executive decisions to handle situation > and then make sure all WGs have new access information
- >> SO yes that seems like a fine way to act and make a decision
- Not ambiguous what the function of a door handle is
- I: revisit CHARTERS and individual committees on admin collective: they have been empowered specific to charters
- IE location: do repairs, expense those repairs,
- So anything that falls within that charter, they can do without consulting anyone else
- So instead of MOU’s can the charters be signed off on in the groups?
- So the charters should be defined by the spokes council > they are the ones writing the charters to give these people the power to do these things without consulting us
- We have to make this initial decision now
- But ultimately spokes will define that charter and responsibilities
- = lots of clarity and conflict awareness> not throwing the book at people with charter
- “How something gets done’ doesn’t always jive with people > doesn’t hamstring urgent decision
- So the charters should be defined by the spokes council > they are the ones writing the charters to give these people the power to do these things without consulting us
- PGWE; spokes council are making proposals and voting etc, so let’s say they are asking for money and it’s signed off by spokes council, so then from a specific discretionary amount in the budget that the administrative ? What ?? Is there a specific amount that needs to be set aside this month? And then there’s a budget. That can be discretionary
- SO admin collective: they figure out what needs to be held separately, save money separately, and then some discretionary budget for WGs to deliberate on for the next 6 months
- Very high ceiling for the next 6 months
- Overhead is 6$k per month > we are potentially doing lots of asbestos, electrical, other renovations > ideally we want to have $8-9k/mo for the space alone that we don’t want to exceed > finance group will put this together and present it to WGs spokes council > and people would understand that extras expenses couldn’t be out of 585 coffers
- So individual WGS could have their own fundraising and volunteers and onboarding > and these could kick back to the general space
- ABC no rio > could be a great resource they have welcomed us to learn from them!
- IE location: do repairs, expense those repairs,
- The legacy of WGs paying into the space : ambiguous how that works?
- Basement ,gym, csa,
- How much theyre paying, why
- What working groups are expected to give back, make sure it feels fair > that might make sure people don’t make money doing their thing, but they feel comfortable making a fundraiser
- It needs to be safe before we can approach finances of basement
- Ad hoc handling of finances
- Charter document negotiations: does it makes sense for them to give back to the space??
- Ie dinners: we really need help: if every wg signed up for a dinner, and all funding went back into the space as space money
- MOU questionnaire : what could your financial contribution look like?
- We are doing good work figuring out potentials: not doing band aids later to fix: a comparison with FF originally started with/o sublease agreement: lots of band aid situation because they couldn't give back to the space
- But BAM is giving back to space by design: how do we come up with solutions for groups that don’t have funds to kick back to 585?
- Does one group help fund another group?? CSA making enough money to cover another group without funding available
- A: hashing out list of important committees
- A: integrate these notes into bigger document for proposal to leader ship and accountability with wheel diagram , charters, info, etc
- A: “POINT PEOPLE” bottom-lining w/in admin collective: “how to create expectations for those people”
- Participation in WGs
- How often in space
- How are they building trust with people
- Presence at spokes person meetings so that people know their face etc
- So with Johnny as part of food pantry WG : but also wants other be back from a lot of decision making, except necessary to lease liability
- Asking J what he wants to have to worry about in terms of decisions
- How can we structure terms os that makes sense to other pp in other committees
- J interested in rentals > get help as necessary to generate income, not excited about it, will continue with Food Pantry role <3
- J as admin, a lot of tings will come up, will require lots of involvement, I haven’t been for the last 2 years for personal and other reasons
- J’ my whole thing” I’m kind of stuck , I really care about food pantry, I really hope that there’s more meta conflict resolution between old and new 585 groups, I don’t want to sour people, there are just as many people not around who feel like they are bing pushed out of their space, want to bridge that gap
- New people coming back to meetings, excited about coming back > both of those forces
- Sympathetic to all the things of grievances, in the context of spokes, lots of meetings with new people: one side gets to really weight in
- A and N: meeting with Matt t=with proposal to frame as bridge gap and in good faith, that spaces can relate to each other, that people feel free to go in between the two
- It would be nice to have all the collectives talking to each other!! PRIORITIZE META CONFLICT RESOLUTION
- POINTS OF UNITY: gap between onset of WB and what’s happening now: breakout group can generate group, build awareness of this: J: all the things that are happening now at WB, what is the thing that unifies all those things right now? Ideological doesn’t feel like the thing right now > there are things obviously outside of that right now (fascism) but being anti-fascist, anti-capitalist are good starting points
- Mission of wb : idea that we are trying to experiment with how we engage with the community, and that means sometimes NOT being super ideological, code switching, what might we have in common with this person, how to get out of ideological barriers, make our ideas not seem so wing nutty > worked early in the space with older polish people helping out in the space that broadened our thoughts about community dynamics, broad-minded : what does it mean to be in this neighborhood, as lived experience way; I think some of that has been lost because so many people are younger and hipster whatever but I would like an openness to that would be interesting
- I: thinks it’s been some of points of unity already
- Oakley shared cooperation Jackson movement document: it relates well to what we are doing : “invitationality” not being the most hardcore ideological position possible, but making people feel welcome in the space, and relating to people
- This is always messy and hard
- But it’s worth it etc
- Some semantics issues: ie trigger words that could be changed to make language feel better
- We have to expand our capacity, hitching to programs that might not align perfectly with us > makes people curious to find out more!
- Ie anti amazon event brought in a lot of right wingers
- >> so hopefully meta conflict resolution will help clarify so what we all want because so much we overlap on
- Points f unity expands beyond break out groups
- Does not represent all people
- No finality to it
- Just stuff to work from > and make those proposals. > open to the public that can then be amended
- Broader discussion where people revisit old wb ethos > thinking broadly! Old WB-heads so that it’s not obviously an anticapitalist space > we shouldn’t all be the same
- Finding the spirit! Then draft the letter, with that in mind
- Mission of wb : idea that we are trying to experiment with how we engage with the community, and that means sometimes NOT being super ideological, code switching, what might we have in common with this person, how to get out of ideological barriers, make our ideas not seem so wing nutty > worked early in the space with older polish people helping out in the space that broadened our thoughts about community dynamics, broad-minded : what does it mean to be in this neighborhood, as lived experience way; I think some of that has been lost because so many people are younger and hipster whatever but I would like an openness to that would be interesting
- Briar: timeline: we come to a place with a foundational document: we are ready to start organizing 585 with our various spokes: by the end of the JUNE > a thing we are able to start operating with > we are going to write and vote on the proposals on MONDAY 6/23 and have something solid to present > because there will still be a process of transition > everything can be provisional: making sure we can work together at this point, hash out later, high emotions now, later details
- J: what’s going where: I think it’s self evident: double things are being split: one set of projections for each space, PA system one set for each space, furniture staying, library going, chairs in negotiation; call booths?? Height could be a limiting factor.
CLEANING PROPOSALS
Arrangement with the landlord: we pay Marciela for monthly cleaning and trash maintenance; full cleaning of the space doesn’t happen enough; confusion;
PROPOSE: WE START A DOCUMENT CLARIFYING WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT: NOTES ARE DISCUSSION ,BUT WE NEED CLEAR DOCUMENT FOR TOMORROW’S MEETING: INCLUDE TWO WHEELED BIKE WITH CAVEATS, CHARTER, EMERGENCY IDEAS >> REFERENCE DOCUMENT WE CAN START AND STUFF > ASH WILL MAKE THIS DOCUMENT
Last items / follow up discussions:
- Key conversation will come up: codes etc what we have now isn’t working: You don’t even have to put digits in the right order!!!!
- Points of unity
- Reference document
- Figure out what admin council is composed of: and draft the initial charters for them (doesn’t have to happen by Monday)
- We need the people in those groups to help draft those charters
- Would individual WGS draft their charters?
- “Given the now emergency of moving forward, WGS would draft their charters, admins would draft their charters, but moving forward all decisions about those charters would be subject to spokes councils”
- Too many people out of town right now to get it down now
- Introduce idea of charter document to people on Monday
- Then have to make this idea
- What if other people don’t even like this idea
- This should take time > the contingency of having just heard of it > too spontaneous
- Every WG is still functioning within the space: so good opportunity as first spokes meting to engage the individual spokes to start thinking about what they do, list, and making charter
- Admin charter vs WG charter
- Admin charter: not for month of July is we just do our best for now?
- But get these charters in by AUGUST?? Gives us month for people to return and communications
- July is almost like time of proof of concept, drafting and input!!
- B: once they are drafted by Admin committees, then they are approved in our second big spokes council meeting (august)
- N: this rhythm of meetings will continue into July: it won’t be totally asynchronous
- A: we need to figure out COMMITTEES and WHO are bottom liners
- How is that going to happennnnnnnn
- Bottom liner for only one thing at a time per person
- Rentals: Johnny
- Liability: Johnny & Vanessa: figuring out if use of space is a problem >> add someone with legal experience > “legal / liability spoke” but just need to get things moving first
- Conflict Support: Ash ? (is conflict resolution part of Admin?? It seems like a third thing, the middle of the wheels, how to build harmonious wheel; it’s not a daily operations thing or a program > it’s a secret third thing) but also it is for reproduction of the space > so it IS admin; and USEFUL in certain emergencies > needs to be knowledgeable ambiently of WGs too > empowerment > we are empowering this committee to be empowered to deal with this conflict > Conflict Resolution is in Third Space until we determine where it lives permanently? Why not have it in the admin council? Is it semantics? Or is going to suck so much already? So idon’t want to have think about this > but you don’t have to> that’s why it’s a different spoke > we need a MODe in which we talk to one another!! > if there is a frame work for how we solve problems > really necessary to NOT poison the space. It is nice to have a vibe check situation ! So if the Admin chats>> the conflict support bottom liner could be in that chat, but isn’t doing anything > keeping an eye on things bubbling up > keeping an eye on the vibe of the room > and fish bowl concept > conflict support is at its core neutral for the argument, but creating container for the space and resources on how to talk to one another > how to have a group of people develop a better culture of actually resolving conflict together; we have to create a culture where it’s safe and ok to fail ! (As long as you pay the rent) but that’s the point of the bottom linters in all these committees > so conflict support isn’t going to inhibit people from paying the rent;
- Johnny: Programming I don’t know what that means yet, there’s stuff I’d like to program but idk if I want to be on the committee
- Vanessa; bottomline fundraiser (or be support if not bottom line, with Natalie; support for rentals programming)
- Iris: point person for Locations!
- Natalie: wants to be on finance, not point person; I do book keeping for my work, but I have no data analysis skills, just data entry!!! And Calvin and Dora might be better-suited point person so ?? (Its covered but not point personnel)
- Comms (instagram etc) / Programming:
- Grants:
- Spokes Council Planning: what does the continued role look like? (Admin or Spoke or Secret Third Thing Pedal)
- Do research on other collectives on interesting structures
- The glue that keeps SC functioning well
- They could write a proposal for it
- SCP explainer document : a body of people as a reference to digest what’s working / not working > includes policy of how to be onboarded onto this
- What if SCP elects a PP to be a go-between between the two wheels ?? Or it’s right in the admin committee, making sure communication goes from Admin to Spokes General?
- The support of each committee ??
- When WG meet, should there be a delegate fro admin in each WG?? Or experiment with less cumbersome structure ? Make sure soloing doesn’t happen
- Admin report backs
- More of advisory group, not POWER group
- SPC tries to find a way to get things to work !!
- Should have a voice at the Council so that it could potentially undermine the entire spokes model : able to represent the Spokes Council to itself > to maintain things as more transparent, more collective
- MANAGING MEETINGS, SYNTHESIZING NOTES, it is an admin/WG combo > spiritually better as a WG
- Synthesizing information from spokes council: where are people going to get this information on proposals ? What the capacities are? What’s reasonable to ask for in a proposal? So then they make up this porpsla that sounds reasonable but there needs to be something other than just a big veto / block > in order to draft a good proposal, you should be reaching out to the teams involved and would help INFORM if that’s a good proposal or not > friendly amendments could also help proposal along > due diligence > triage of a proposal that is put on the board to get them on the agenda > helps prioritize > something may never make it to the agenda at all if its not meaningful to general community > so admin would have a financial report for each spokes council meeting? Budges planned ahead oof time and fairly transparent > where team says what’s overhead, what’s buffer, what’s deficit, what’s needed, and if there’s any discretionary budget for Spokes council to proposal usages for
- Every spokes person meeting will have report back from ADMIN so they are aware of what is required to run the space
- Liability / Legal: Bureaucracy: dealing with the State, other entities, filing our taxes, incorporating
- Separate legal from liability: Liability is lease ; legal might be separate issues/ideas
- Having a neutral party CPA that actually has that education
- One of our friends is a CPA that does specifically like working for these kinds of groups
- Legal: we come only when needed to Finance > consultant role of point person that doesn’t have to meet all the time
- “Volunteer lawyers for the arts” do we fall under that purview?
- Tech Admin Spoke: managing Web etc
06-23-2025 6:30-9 pm @ MayDay Space
Spokescouncil Meeting - Date: 06-23-2025
Spokescouncil Strategy Meeting 3 (aka what to do about the future of the space)
Agenda
Roles (5 min)
- Facilitator (Ash + Katelyn)
- Timer (Dora)
- Stack (Caroline)
- Note taker (paul)
- Whiteboarder (none)
Names/Pronouns (5 min)
Updates from Johnny about Lease + Short Q/A (10 min)
Document Template walkthrough (5 min)
Proposal section breakout groups (5 min)
Proposal writing time! (30 min)
Break (5 min)
Proposals presentations (50 min)
we go section by section together
- Discussion
- Questions
- Friendly Ammendments
- Review
- Vote at the end
Follow up plan/action items (10 min)
- timeline and plan to present proposal to Matt
Detailed Meeting Notes
Intro & agenda review
Updates from johnny
- dino wants matt to stay on lease and have matt indemnify himself
- seems ok with adding vanessa to the lease
- said no to LLC being on the lease
- not open to reassignment of lease yet. but maybe at some point in the future
- "what does indemnification mean?" there will be a document that says matt will have no further involvement with the space & will not contact the landlord directly. if there's a lawsuit against us matt will be party to that lawsuit but then be able to sue us separately
breakout groups
groups are working on editing sections of this transition doc to be presented to the directorship
group red
- transitional leadership
- governance
- conflict / point of unity
group green
- statement of intent
- timeline
- summary / action items
group purple
- landlords
- finance & fiscal sponsorship
point of clarification: at the last meeting it was decided that we would continue to operate at 585 woodward as an organization independant from Woodbine.
Reviewing the document
Transitional governance
We decided this section was confusing and dropped it. wasn't clear the difference between emergency counsel and the admin/spokes groups.
Agreements w/ landlord
- seems like Dino will never be open to an LLC taking over the lease
- what does "responsibility" mean? it means legal liability.
Basement
- stuff about asbestos fundung is confusing, drop it.
kitchen
- landlord want to change the insurance policy wrt the kitchen but it's not clear why
governance model
are these structures temporary or not?
are the individual admins reviewed every 6 months or is the entire admin structure going to be reviewed in 6 months?
clarification that each admin committes are committees-- groups of people, but have a point person that rotates every 6 months.
finance & fiscal sponsorship
- we just found out that july rent is part of the 3 month of runway for 585
Next Action Items
- Async collaboration on proivisonal 585 transition plan doc
- next action items from the doc:
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Mid July?
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Schedule of meetings with current directorship for transition
By July 31, 2025:
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Complete basement cleaning and fire compliance
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Clarify financial structures and fiscal sponsor partnership
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Draft initial charters for all Admin Committees
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Begin onboarding process for Admin and Spokescouncil participants
By August 2025:
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Ratify first round of charters
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Conduct full operational dry-run of new governance structure
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06-18-2025 7-9 pm at MayDay Space
Spokescouncil Meeting - Date: 06-18-2025
Spokescouncil Strategy Meeting 2 (aka what to do about the future of the space)
Agenda
Names/Pronouns (5 min)
Roles (5 min)
- Facilitator (Ash + Dora?)
- Timer
- Stack
- Whiteboarder
Review of "Options" (5 min)
Review of Monday meeting (10 min)
Brief Updates and Open Questions (10 min)
Breakout group research huddle (35 min)
Break (5 min)
Breakout group reportbacks (15 min)
Plan for Monday June 23 Meeting + Proposal Teams (10 min)
Action Items + Bottomliners (5 min)
Meeting Highlights
Roles (5 min)
- Facilitator (Ash + Dora)
- Timer : LP
- Stack: Shahrazad
- Whiteboarder: Iris
- Notes: Rachel
Review of "Options" (5 min)
- Option 1: “Lease Takeover” : “Matt / Woodbine” moves to new space Ridgewood Democratic Club; 585 Working Groups becomes its own entity REMAIN at 585 by renegotiating lease w landlord w 3-mo seed money (rent)
- Option 2: (Matt & Maria are definitely out) current Co-Directors are OUT; what “we”[person speaking] would rather look to do, is stay on lease and work with spokes council as a buffer from directorship; everything stays as is (expanded Directorship roles - retry it)
- Option 3: Matt goes to RDC; Other working groups have to find their own spaces if they don’t want to take over 585; seed money would go to this unknown 3rd space. (Budget doesn’t feel available for that?)
- Doesn’t sound like any 3rd spaces are pulling through
- We have a breakout group looking into 3rd spaces
- QUESTION: do “WB” groups WANT to go? (Reading groups, screenings)
- The “brand” of WB is transferring to RDC;
Review of Monday meeting (10 min) (Dora)
- Reviewed options 1,2,3
- Ideated pros and cons of options
- Talked about moving parts, what collaborations might be, big questions about funding streams,
- Created 5 breakout groups:
- Fundraising & Collaborations w other orgs
- Potential alternative spaces
- Legal support (Incorporation)
- Leadership accountability models & Leaseholder Relationships
- Points of Unity
- A document was created as potential statement of intent to be used for any of the options for us to review and go through
- “This is the plan, and this is the timeline” type document
- Pulse check at the end of the meeting: MOST people interested in Option 1.
Brief Updates and Open Questions (10 min)
- “I want to clarify: Option 2 now sounds a lot like Option 1,?”
- Johnny: under all scenarios, Matt is leaving lease or self-indemnifying
- WE DON’T KNOW IF LANDLORD WILL ALLOW ENTIRELY NEW SET OF LEASEHOLDERS
- 3 new leaseholders entirely (seemed skeptical)
- Matt indemnify and keeping John & Duncan on the Lease
- Matt indemnifying himself and finding a replacement on lease
- Liability issues are still a major concern
- Is option 1 now a complete new lease take over??
- Option 2 looks different now
- UPDATE: option 2 is shifting ?
- UPDATE: Johnny talking to landlord on Saturday that will hopefully clarify
- QUESTION: would it help our thinking if we throw away options that aren’t working anymore: the critical decision is do we want to talk to landlord about transitioning lease?
- Johnny clarifying: Matt is indemnifying/leaving no matter what, so we will have to talk to the landlord no matter what
- QUESTION: WHAT IS THE MINIMAL VIABLE DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE BY WHEN
- RE-ASKING because of getting different answers
- What Matt asking for is ppl to come together w statement of intent to keep running the space and how it’s going to happen
- END OF JUNE
- We have a document template for that
- QUESTION: have there been people who would be interested in joining the lease as third person? (Good income/credit etc folks??)
- question: what are the requirements for lease?
- Johnny: during COVID, very loose .. we have rapport
- Johnny; thorough background and credit checks
- Three-person lease
- A couple folks have approached Ash about that directly saying they would be on the lease as good candidates
- No one has committed to Johnny about it specifically
- question: what are the requirements for lease?
- QUESTION: is the 9-yr lease deal that Matt negotiated going to be compromised by his self-recusal?
- Finding out on Saturday …. Maybe
- QUESTION: IF DINO THE LANDLORD WOULD renegotiate leases w/ new lease holders raise rent?
- MAYBE
- QUESTION: would us [585] incorporating change landlord’s calculus at all? LLC
- I don’t think so? I think he cares about getting money and trusting lease holders > but Dino wants a point person to be Johnny or Matt
- QUESTION: DO we have a copy of the lease?
- Johnny has it on his computer
- QUESTION: Do we have feels on what groups would want to leave / stay?
- How have those conversations been happening?
- No one here to answer that
- Stay: Gym, pantry, dinner crew, (food fight is looking for new space / open to staying) (the most infrastructure-entrenched groups)
- RDC does not intend to accommodate food distro / dinner
- leave: ?? Research group? Reading group?
- QUESTION: HOW concretely do they feel / who is making that decision for those groups
- question: what are the essential roles in the space/duties / responsibilities — who is interested doing them?
- Finance, legal, rentals, co-working management, maintenance, lease, operations, lease relations, fundraising, programming, calendar, repairs
- QUESTION: a lot of income from co-working: at what point in time do we address those people specifically ($1600/mo)
- QUESTION: Co-working people is a collection with “With Friends” — during this transition, when are these people alerted and when do they make this decision? Clarify when they make that decision
- Def have to recruit new people for co-working at 585 bc co-working will happen at RDC
- The agreement we talked to Matt about, the first 3 months would split income btw 2 spaces from Patreon and WithFriends > announcing changes
- QUESTION: to what extent the various working groups have been informed what might happen?
- first announcement would be through listServ July 1
- Matt sent out a message in “Coordinators” chat with sporadic attention, no idea how well those were read
- People on Saturday were informed and most people know now
- QUESTION: reiterate that whatever changes are made that people in the Patreon need to be informed beforehand — if we do anything w/o telling them is serious defrauding issue:
- We will have to talk to Matt about it (Andrew volunteering to do so)
- Perhaps financing group can help strategize around that
- Legal group did research into that (see below)
Breakout group research huddle (35 min)
- Financing funding & Partnership: funding streams & partnerships,
- Legal: Incorporation, patreon carry over;
- Points Of Unity: making a board unifying mission statement to help us come together
- Leadership and Accountability & Leaseholder relationships: dreaming up how these leadership roles that maintain the space : who to make sure spokes coucnil has real power and how does it integrate w other leadership roles (leaseholders)
- Alt Spaces: we don’t need to meet? BUT one benefit could be just to see what’s out there so we have a more empowered approach ? Might just be jumping the gun; we’ve been throwing around links but we don’t need to discuss in person so much
LEADERSHIP AND ACCOUNTABILITY group notes: Relationship btw spokes council and leadership roles
Note: Property taxes for 585 lease : $8000/yr in taxes: Department of Finances
Question: Is landlord paying for major repairs ??
discuss pain points from the past to help inform going forward: WHAT HASN’T BEEN WORKING (not blame person but like more generally what dynamics don’t work > with intent to address/avoid a structural concern)
- UNCLEAR overlap / delineation between leadership roles vs responsibility roles : ie busted things : ppl who are in roles of leadership vs roles of responsibility for pragmatic needs
- daily needs need to delineated more clearly
- S liked things with “JOY” in reference to a shared example / document: make people WANT to come and do the work because they want to
- Avoid “Social capital” of people skills: creates weird power dynamic
- Johnny: clarifying what he means by “leadership”: “to me it is I don’t have time to do that much, I don’t have interest in running the space, the issues to leadership to me are things in category of finance, building capacity and legal liability, but I’m fine with everything else litigated by wg’s through spokes council
- “So I think there should be a team that I am a part of that can make those decisions”
- Oftentimes, the space has changed a lot, usually there is one person who makes decision all time time > rotating roles 2-3 people in roles/realms with open communication where everyone knows what happens
- Monthly meetings: “I think it’d be cool if there would be a point where anyone could ask any question”
- Have something online? People show up confused irl > lots of disparate mailing lists and signal groups
- Then there’s an agenda
- But all finances and agenda should all be public and open and transparent
- But every meeting should have a public-contribution option / portion
- (Pain point is LOW TRANSPARENCY: HARD TO PLUG IN)
- Anyone being able to force others out by denying access codes
- TRUST is a big issue: sporadic presence of people in the space
- Roles that have been not very present, because they have key influence over things but haven’t been around
- Directors not known by people > who are you , why are you telling me to do this??
- DOOR CODES: Bloomington people change the code once/month
- STRUCTURE: A LOT OF THESE things have overlapping themes of lack of transparency, in building structures there are a lot of tings that are common to organizing: busy, come and go, transience, we can’t control peoples lives and behaviors, but important to create roles and responsibilities with that keep turn over in mind, so even when a leader has to leave ; and that we are going. To be bad at it for a long time and it’s going to be hard
- Good idea for how to address that
- Accountability: Doesn’t mater how people get into role, but GENERAL MEMBERSHIP NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO VETO / PULL BACK leaders
- V: been on a bunch of WB things since 2016, problems with lack of accountability
- Things we would like to see:
- Ie rentals could be a clear group of people that can do it together
- All leadership roles should have accountability and
- Something that would help with that: rewriting of lease if that happens; we really should consider being an LLC!! It’s not a single person:
- Liability and decision making: a requirement for J is people in leadership who will be responsible about finances and liability but at the same time we want to make decision collectively: so whoever those leadership ppl are > they have veto power SPECIFICALLY FOR finances and liability and only that and they must be able to defend that decision
- Point person. / vs leadership?
- Rhizome collective Austin TX
- Omni commons Oakland CA
- Johnny: there is an assumption that WB is an anarchist space, but it never has been, and there is a lot of frustration about that , and it feels like no one is listening to the people who were here first
- Culture is alive and changing
- Part of legacy and DNA is there and can’t be kept static
- Response: there are a lot of different people here, don’t think it’s specially a capital-A anarchist thing
- A general feeling specifically when dealing with Matt > kept pointing to idea documents > but we’ve grown a lot and changed a lot and have diverse members
- Johnny: Thing have changed, wb has grown; doesn’t want culture of Anarchism to push out all other ideas/groups; that there is a vibe; and so I have a lot of apprehension
- The claimed politics vs the nuts and bolts > if nothing is designated in a clear manner, then there will be a structure that is haphazard
- We can’t necessarily vote on how money gets used because not everyone has context for that?????
- So what about a financial working group?
- Like if you let everyone in on the finances, it would be very dysfunctional to just hand those decision over to the spokes council
- So we want to create a clear structure so it’s NOT haphazard
- J: concerns about administrative things: we wield power over everyone, but also you need to demonstrate investment in the space > demonstrate that you’re appropriate for the role
- We are not talking about an anarchist structure, instead as democratic; flattening the structure
- J: feels huge worry about liability with types of events and finances that are happening at the space!!!!
- We can’t necessarily vote on how money gets used because not everyone has context for that?????
- The common denominator is that Matt is not involved: “we want to buy a pinball machine” example > finance group that can actual field thoughtful proposals
- That would bring so much joy
- How do both wheels overlap, share joy
- Point person mentorship
- Spokes council
- Integration of the two wheel groups
- Point person and spokes people will be doing the work together
- Impeaching and recalling: that is important to feel like there is power in the people creating the space together
- Conflict support happening continuously
- Hopefully it doesn’t get to a point of impeachment, but that there will be more conversations about it before it becomes this monster
- “Hey I’m liability person and I’m stressed out threatened etc” the conflict working group is here to help with that so that people feel safe and understood
- Can we avoid: give people the context so they can make the decision
- Ie we can let people know what’s in the bank account because then we can plug them into the paths / context to show them HOW they can get those things > here’s how !! (Or why that doesn’t work)
- So it’s about being prepared for problems and dealing with problems rather than avoiding them!!!
- Conflict-averse people : nothing ever gets done!! (Festering, rot etc)
- Rotating roles: appropriate for some things and not others (Rentals — it really is just about who is able to do it, has those relationship, has the time > becomes an efficiency issue; Rentals: a lot of liability on leaseholders as well. > delineation between responsibility vs leadership >> it has to be worked out with CLARITY
- Talking about role rotation with another long time organizer : whatever role rotation, there should be a clear structure with MENTORSHIP and FEEDBACK and knowing that people will make mistakes
- There are a ton of collectively run spaces where no single person has that role and collective can be responsible and be open to this working
- V: my dream and vision for the space from talking to lots and lots of people and meetings, there are the spokes (back wheel is drive wheel, working groups) that drive the drive chain and grow the space, there’s the front wheel (admin) > the bike is the space > full transparency between two wheels that is making the whole bike work
- People complain about stuff all the time: not an excuse to hoard knowledge : conflict averse behavior:
- WE ARE AT TIME: huge conversation: we will be meeting Thursday or Sunday or both > obviously not a conversation that’s done
- THANK YOU JOHNNY FOR BEING HERE! And hearing all these thoughts and conversations;
- Would we have to clear rentals with the spokes council? NO
- But maybe there’s a rental committee very educated on what rentals are and rental liabilities > Johnny would be able to see what the rentals are too > super concerned about NOT IMPEDING RENTALS BECAUSE OF INCOME STREAMS!!!!!
- J: talk about worry about finances briefly: at best, WE ARE LOSING AT LEAST 1/2 OF OUR INCOME FOR THE SPACE!!!
Leaseholder stuff: mostly dependent on SATURDAY discussion
Break (5 min)
Breakout group reportbacks (15 min)
WAIT: why am I talking:
LEGAL:
- PATREON & With Friends: their terms of service require that that change of services provided be announced
- NYS law: we do have to report to our donors that we are changing the structure of the organizing;
- Incorporating: LLC (hard wired individuals), several other entity types, different from non-profit (directors are responsible to and can be changed), different from 510(c)3 would have a manager/president >> so that no individual has to take on scary liability and bank account could be for the organization
- LLC makes it much harder on grants!!!
- 501c3 MIGHT BE BETTER
- 585 SPACE: during COVID : it took A LOT of legwork t find options: we could reuse this model
- = a lot of benefits to incorporating
- Can we bring this up with Dino on Saturday? J will ask him but doesn’t know; Dino wants a point person for sure. In his mind as someone to blame for anything going wrong.
- NEED A FISCAL SPONSOR: this will be further down the line >> LLC cannot do tax-deductible sponsors
- FINANCE/FUNDRAISING:
- Showed us comparison with others space that matters is taking on
- How splitting half btw 585 and RDC ? Who gets to decide?
- Consider more overhead costs!! How that money that people have continuously put into 585 should be split
- Because RDC rent is going to be half of what 585 is
- So having a community of spaces, being realistic about what things actually cost
- Especially with no reading group on Sundays
- Dora shared really great breakdowns of finances over the last year in 2-6 month chunks
- Mayday, Ridgewood Tenants Union
- Programing for things that are leaving, opens up spaces that are now available: Sunday time slot is a big one (pop-ups : money fundraisers, bake sales, smaller scale do seem to add up, vending market things)
- Showed us comparison with others space that matters is taking on
- POINTS OF UNITY: we reviewed existing work from last meeting, discussed two-pronged approach oof what we believe, tenants and what the core parts are :
- Whether and how to include more about WHO the space is for / who we trying to reach
- Ways to overcome the gatekeeping / confusing about legibility and participation
- ALT SPACES: Libby put together a report that he will share to a general chat; we CAN get a comparable space price, but much smaller
Leadership / accountability:
- Pain-points: accountability & transparency
- Liability
- Ideas for how to integrate spokes person model with leaders
- Make sure admin is integrated with working groups / point persons and spokes persons all integrated
- Committees formed around some groups
- Point person mentoring new people
- Same person stays the same for a while
- Concerns about finances and sharing info about it > transparency
- We have a lot still to go, meeting Thursday and/or Sunday
QUESTION: what is the point of third space / option 3: the vast majority of people want to stay with 585, have a collective body that pairs with leadership;
- 3rd space is useful to understand value of staying at 585
Plan for Monday June 23 Meeting + Proposal Teams (10 min)
- write proposals prior to meeting to finalize one by the end of the meeting
- Beginning of MONDAY meeting: any report backs from all the groups who do meet in the interim, if anything new comes up, new info from landlord Dino on Saturday;
- Then do breakout groups depending on size for TO WRITE 2-3 proposals for what we should present to Matt — use that document from K as a template to adjust / add/ phrase based on their ideas
- SECOND HALF OF MEETING: VOTING ON PROPOSALS and editing
- Other tweaking asynchronously and with a set deadline later, but before 30th
- Incorporation stuff: we just need to show an intent by 30th rather than actually have to have it incorporated
- QUESTION: do we have any lawyer friends w wb and contract law that we could get help from?
- Some people reaching out, haven’t heard back
- Briar’s aunt is a tenant lawyer, but “she’s weird”
- Andrew can ask their sister lawyer “she’s cool I guess”
- Libby has contract lawyer friend > they want a specific set of questions usually > we ned to be more coherent before we approach them
- Another person sorry I forgot name was realty paralegal and can ask friends
- =====>> GROUP IN WITH LEGAL TEAM HUDDLE
- The only thing we need by July 1 is information pertaining to the lease: everything else is a more flexible time line : it’s not the end of the world to not have details hashed out by July 1: is good context
- We can do as much as we can with the time slated
- Details can change over time
- Can we get intel from Saturday landlord meeting ASAP? In the chats
- J will reach out to someone to share after Saturday LL meeting
- Proposals: visions for the future / charter documents: what are the big plans for the future > proposal for next Monday is more general structure who will take over the lease ?? ? we don’t need every little piece right now
- YES.
- Why would Dino have any incentive to cooperate?
- J: there is a world where Dino forces M to stay and there’s a crash and burn option….
- Is Dino open to Matt leaving the lease?
Action Items + Bottomliners (5 min)
- PLEASE DONATE TO MAYDAY FOR BOTH MEETINGS: Venmo @mayday-space
- Meet with your breakout groups
- Johnny meeting with Dino LL Saturday .
- Please look at the proposal document! Wants edits to it.
- Dora posted financial breakdown in the emergency chat > ask Dora or Natalie if questions
06-16-2025, 7-9 pm at May Day Space
Spokescouncil Meeting - Date: 06-16-2025
Spokescouncil Strategy Meeting 1 (aka what to do about the future of the space)
Agenda
Introductions: name, pronouns (5 min)
Volunteer for roles (5 min)
- Facilitator (ash)
- timer (briar)
- note taker
- whiteboarder
- stack
Refresher on meeting gestures and protocols: jazz hands, stack, "WAIT" (5 min)
Review of the "options" and Open container for processing the news together: fears, hopes (20 min)
Updates (5 min)
- landlord updates from johnny (relayed by ash)
- fundraising stream updates
Whiteboard session to ideate (30 min)
- pros and cons of the options
- this lease, dino and problems with the infrastructure
- this lease, dino and problems with the infrastructure
- possible collaborations
- fundraising streams
- how spokescouncil can work with "leadership" roles to create real accountability: committees, role rotations, etc
Break (5 min)
Task Team formation, volunteer groups (20 min)
- gauge who is interested in what sort of labor and then form teams around them
- alternative spaces research
- legal support: commercial, lease
- how to deal with patreon funds
- possible collaborations
- finance breakdown + fundraising
- how spokescouncil can work with "leadership" roles to create real accountability
- committees, role rotations, etc
- lease holders
- lease research: do we take on as individuals or a corporation?
- any others?
Katelyn's document + q/a (10 min)
- Commitment to Collective Stewardship of the 585 Space
- ash's notes on the doc:
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obviously we need to think about the timelines and what makes sense but very happy you have added have more breathing room in this proposed timeline
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General Assembly (GA) and spokescouncil meetings are different in nature in some definitions. we would want to finesse that. we've never use GA in our spokes explainer but that doesn't mean we can't, we just need to get our terms straight. i personally see GA's as different than spokes meetings. we can talk more about this later.
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the governance model may also need to include some form of expanded "leadership" body in tandem with spokescouncil to move forward with johnny to stay on the lease. we will discuss this more in the meeting.
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one of the "transition phases" should specify a transition of funds and funding streams:
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the communication to patreon donors (esp coworkers) and other donor streams about the new schism (apparently its illegal not to do that) with links to our new patreon and time for them to move over onto our own platform.
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also a timeline for receiving seed runaway funding, and any other funds promised to the upkeep and improvement of 585 (like the stove, asbestos, etc)
- how to reroute CSA funds, gym funds, basement donations
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we should also consult a lawyer about this agreement and get feedback and ask what sort of accountability this entails for us and matt. also whether we should have a notary or not
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Special signal chat for these meetings and updates? (5 min)
Action Item Roundup + bottomliners (10 min)
Meeting Highlights
Space 585 Spokescouncil Meeting \#2 Notes Spokescouncil Strategy Meeting 1: What to do about the Future of the Space
Facilitator- Ash
Time Keeper- Briar
Stack- Andrew
Notetaker- Shea
Whiteboard maven - Nina
Review of Options
1- Lease takeover of Space 585 by a new group. Woodbine entity moves to a new space. Working groups remaining at Space 585 would collaborate with lease holders to form democratically run space. ~3 mos rent available to working groups to fund the space during the transition.
2- Current leaseholders remain on the lease, directorship is expanded. Things remain largely the same.
3- Woodbine retains control of Space 585, working groups receive seed money (~3 mos rent) to move mutual aid/ working groups operations to a new space.
Feelings Processing
The group expressed excitement over the opportunity to form a democratically run space, as well as conviction that the mutual aid and community building are vital to the neighborhood. We acknowledged how much those in the 585 working groups care about the space and the community, and how important food pantry and Sunday dinners are to the well-being of many who receive these services.
Many in the group are anxious as well, due to the short timeline, vagueness of the agreement, and lack of cohesion around the vision for the new space/ management structure. Some wondered whether the funds allocated to space repairs and management (electricity etc) would still be available in the event of a split. - A clarification was given that the end of June deadline is for a statement of intent, and that submitting the Collective Stewardship Commitment prepared by Katelyn and signed by the group to the leaseholders would fulfill this deadline.
Update from Johnny- LL is ok with Johnny and Hunter remaining on the lease without Matt. LL is wary of adding new names to the lease, and any new names added can expect a full background and credit check before being added.
Fundraising Update:
CSA- Natalie: it is not a certainty that CSA will remain operating out of Space 585. CSA contributes ~$16k/ yr to the space, which while helpful, “wouldn’t save the space.” That being said, CSA has logistical needs to consider that are already being met by the 585 Space.
Patreon- Dora: If the planning group decides to take control of the 585 lease, Patreon funds for 3 mos would be split between Space 585 and the new Woodbine space. Donors would be informed of the split and a new Patreon formed for Space 585. Once the new Patreon is running, donors would be able to choose which space receives their donations. Other current revenue streams: gym, pantry grants, co-working.
Whiteboard Time- Pros and Cons Options 1-3
Option 1
Con: our group has skills that are underdeveloped in this area, and historically there is a low level of engagement by stakeholders- are there enough of us willing to take this on?
We will need to restructure our relationships with each other and the space.
Pro: Immediate pursuit of the deadline and high levels of group interest indicate this is the most favorable option- group consensus.
Pro: gym, food pantry, and CSA are already well entrenched and operating out of 585. They may not have the desire or capability to relocate.
Pro: we can always revisit option 3 (starting new space) either as we grow or as challenges arise at 585.
Option 2
Q: Is there a role for the spokescouncil here?
A: Possibly, but seems to hinge on which of the current leaseholders remains on the lease and how open they would be to collaborating with the spokescouncil.
Pro: If we are unable to reach group consensus around Options 1 or 3, we can always revisit in the future.
Con: runway funds are most likely not indefinitely available
Con: Many comrades who formerly worked in mutual aid groups have stepped away from Woodbine due to conflict arising from the current structure. They may return if we reach consensus on Option 1 or 3, but will not be interested in Option 2. Several in the working group agreed with this statement and expressed similar feelings.
Option 3
Pro: Funding for new space could open new opportunities for the group.
Con: This is the least clear path forward.
Brainstorm
Q: What do we want to do?
Q: What structure do we need to create to accomplish this?
Briar- allows us to have a voice. There are few democratically run spaces in NYC. Learning these processes will enable us to make more democratic decisions in this group and in our wider communities.
Andrew- the mutual aid and working groups are all community focused, that’s what brings us together.
Usman- our goal should be to center the community
Lippy- create paths to social and communal skills building, development of principles of operation in a shared space
Nina- prompted the group to define “community” for ourselves- which community? Social, geographical, ideological? Who are we centering?
Possible Collaborations
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Mayday needs permanent home
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Food fight
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Soccer team
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Ridgewood tenants union
Spokescouncil Creating Accountability w Directorship
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Concern: What if a proposal from the Spokecouncil puts the leaseholder in a position where they’re exposed to undue personal risk?
- Structure should take risk into account, but in order to do this we need clarity into what the specific liability concerns are. We need to flesh this out and build a firm framework to address these areas.
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Suggestion: Form committees around specific tasks ie fundraising, finance, events. Committees should come from the spokescouncil and are beholden to spokescouncil. Allows us to disperse responsibilities among more individuals, lightening the workload.
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Assertion: Directorship/ leaseholders should be involved in the actual running of the space. Come to pantry and events occasionally.
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Counter point to concern: current directorship has a history of not immediately addressing safety issues when they arise, which creates tangible liability issues. So why is the directorship worried about amorphous future liability problems?
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Many in the group expressed a desire to hear from Matt directly or have him attend a spokescouncil meeting.
Break out into Groups
Alternative Spaces
Legal Support
Patreon
Collaborations
Leadership Accountability
Leaseholders + Relationship
Incorporation?
Groups created Signal chats to communicate and collaborate between meetings
Katelyn presents Stewardship doc- meant to be a statement of intent. Group should feel free to review and revise as needed.
Andy reiterated that the only option with a deadline attached to it is Option 1, Stewardship doc with group signatures meets the requirement of the deadline.
Ash clarified that MOLU are representatives onboarded to a Signal chat who coordinate the spaces everyday operations.
Group voted to start the 585 Emergency Council signal chat.
Group voted to have another Spokescouncil Meeting 6/23 @ 7p location TBD.
Action Items
Groups work on your respective research projects.
Need volunteers for 6/23 meeting facilitator, time keeper, stack, and note taker.
Spokescouncil planning meeting notes
Spokescouncil / Internal GA Planning Meeting- 04/04/2026
Meeting Highlights
Attendance
<Shannon, LP, Paul, Shea>,
New Action Items
- Tues 4p job fair planning mtg (which Tues?)
- Cass create report of GA stickie board
- Shannon- agenda
- mobilize folks/ outreach- Paul
- build proposed admin mtg structure- Shea
- pitch mtg schedule to admin- Shea
Detailed Meeting Notes
- Purpose of the mtg(s) we're planning-
- 1- opportunity to raise + discuss issues
- 2- review current operating structure
- 3- synthesize + move forward on GA AIs
- points 1+ 2 could be combined into 1 mtg, point 3 could be its own mtg
- how to get folks to show up consistently/ how to encourage more participation + engagement
- put up a bulletin board to announce mtgs (repurpose proposals board?)
- GAs happen quarterly/ every 4 mos./ bi annually (?)- attract new folks + those who left due to WB vibes
- build in 30min orientation to quarterly GA
- other work/ mtgs happen in between GAs
- resurrect Sunday admin mtgs but rotate focus
- come to internal alignment on:
- resource allocation
- micro grants
- calendar prioritization
- resource allocation
- have community liason in contact w all groups- "communicators" that pass info btwn WGs/ admin
- invite poli ed to admin committee
- build mtg schedule for admin committee hosted mtgs- committees pick your spot in rotation
- a regular schedule makes outreach easier
- off quarter orientation (if GAs biannual)?
- RC job fair (or whatever we call it)
12-2-25 Spokescouncil Planning Meeting
Agenda
6:30-8:30 pm
check ins (5 min)
Roles: fac, notes, timer (5 min)
Review action Items from spokes meeting (10 min)
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Proposal voting - asynch - iris
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Update explainer, add documentation as needed - Paul
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Figure out meeting cadence with writers group - iris
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Breakout chat for General Assembly - proposal - post into announcements chat - ash/shannon -Suggestions for groups to have in chat asynch votes for proposals in WGs
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SNACK ROLE for next meeting - shea will coordinate to find someone
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“A day in the life of an admin committee” template - shea
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“Chore wheel” for randomized roles online for spokescouncil planning chat - Ash asks LP
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make an account with the wiki - Help with authenticating accounts first - Everyone, Paul
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Posts to make:
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we are opening up for observers to attend spokescouncil meetings + post to community - add to agenda as announcement and make a post
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Announcement for spokescouncil planning needing help - add to agenda and invitation flyer/post
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Spokescouncil meeting overhead tasks (20 min):
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Agenda for next meeting - need volunteer to do this and highlights for the agenda asynchronous
- voting delegate for our group
- visuals for RC orientation intro, need someone to make these and project laptop
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Brief discussion on how meetings have been going and any notes on how to make them better and what’s working well already
- facilitator for next meeting
- FOOD
Steering/strategy discussion Part 1 (30 min) :
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in what ways are the admin committees actually held accountable to the spokescouncil (10 min)
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absentee voting idea
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name of this group and differentiate it from spokescouncil meetings + invitation
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Rewriting charter to be more open
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Facilitator training/skillshare
Break (5 min)
Steering/strategy discussion Part 2 (30 min) :
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How to revoke point person process
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Hang outs /social time
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Internal calendar to coordinate tasks for regular admin tasks
- Collective agenda writing for big meetings- submissions model OR cryptpad
Discuss and vote on proposal: https://wiki.commons.nyc/books/spokescouncil-proposals/page/proposal-to-change-spokescouncil-meeting-dates (10 min)
action item roundup (5 min)
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Notes:
Last meeting action Items- completed:
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Proposal voting - asynch - iris
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Figure out meeting cadence with writers group - iris
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SNACK ROLE for next meeting - shea will coordinate to find someone
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“Chore wheel” for randomized roles online for spokescouncil planning chat - Ash asks LP
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make an account with the wiki - Help with authenticating accounts first - Everyone, Paul
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Posts to make:
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we are opening up for observers to attend spokescouncil meetings + post to community - add to agenda as announcement and make a post
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Announcement for spokescouncil planning needing help - add to agenda and invitation flyer/post
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Spokescouncil meeting overhead tasks (20 min):
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Agenda for next meeting - need volunteer to do this and highlights for the agenda asynchronous- Ash to bottomline. Shea and Iris shadow
- voting delegate for our group- Iris
- visuals for RC orientation intro, need someone to make these and project laptop- doc is empty, needs to be repopulated- Paul?
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Brief discussion on how meetings have been going and any notes on how to make them better and what’s working well already
- general feeling that last spokescouncil went well
- observers came after the open call
- group discussion and resulting differing opinions (healthy conflict!) around how open spokescouncil meetings should be were encouraging, not the same voices participating- let's add this topic to next agenda and keep discussion going
- Caroline was an excellent facilitator! People seem intimidated by this role, keep soliciting folx to shadow, organize facilitation workshop
- we may need to "voluntell" someone for this mtg- candidates?
- LP- designing a game to teach facilitation
- Shea- will reach out to a friend who's done non-profit work/ diversity trainings re: capacity to speak
- vibes were good but larger questions are still not being answered
- graphics presentation feedback was confusing- group clapped and seemed favorable to material presented during the meeting but individual feedback after meeting was largely unfavorable- presentation vs proposal mindset?
- would a straw poll here have given more reliable feedback?
- reminder these materials can/ should be rolled into the larger design library
- LP- mailing list is functional!
- facilitator for next meeting- open call in spokeschat and possible voluntell
- FOOD- Shea will bottomline for 12/11- vegan and GF menu underway
- larger discussion around writing proposal / creating budget for food for these meetings as a way to strengthen community bonds and make spokescouncil attendance more appealing
- create RSVP system via WF or other to get a rough headcount?- LP
- Iris- nominate Food Czar (monthly rotation) and allocate budget, compile list of budget and diet friendly vendors to order from to streamline process and relieve labor burden- this should be a proposal
- include headcount in meeting agenda
- larger discussion around writing proposal / creating budget for food for these meetings as a way to strengthen community bonds and make spokescouncil attendance more appealing
Steering/strategy discussion Part 1 (30 min) :
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in what ways are the admin committees actually held accountable to the spokescouncil
- via updates and announcements (in practice)
- via Report Back form (not in practice- created not shared, ready for 12/11 meeting)
- via internal SOPs (not in practice- need template to facilitate creation, aim for Jan spokescouncil roll out)
- LP- to encourage autonomous action and completion of nonsensitive tasks we could create a task tracker/ progress board to display in space- needs done/ doing/ done
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absentee voting idea continue convo in next meeting
- prefer idea of using other WG delegates as proxy
- worry this option will negatively impact in person attendance and RT discussion/ collaboration if it's seen as an easy opt out
- Iris- we can post in spokescouncil WG chat ahead of meeting to get a head count and call out any groups who aren't represented to hopefully mitigate this impact
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name of this group and differentiate it from spokescouncil meetings + invitation
- not sure name is the issue but agree we need more draw
- what's in a name, anyway?
- asynch name proposal in chat?
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Rewriting charter to be more open, make group more approachable- we have fun!
- talk to members of WGs- communicate better about what we're doing/ vision/ longer term goals for space
- more community outreach + programming ie CPR trainings, blood drives
- playing with structure, form, procedure
- bring us your big ideas!
- talk to members of WGs- communicate better about what we're doing/ vision/ longer term goals for space
Steering/strategy discussion Part 2 (30 min) :
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How to revoke point person process continue convo in next meeting
- use proposal template to initiate process?
- quorum vote?
- larger discussion around why PP is being removed- are they causing harm or overwhelmed? permanent vs temporary removal and paths to each
- we need a list of non-negotiables to point to for immediate/ emergency expulsion situations- better to have a policy in place beforehand than create ad hoc in the moment
- still need Points of Unity doc- would tie in here!
- larger discussion around that individual's responsibilities and whether other participants will step up to absorb them vs committee cohesion- is this person easy to work with? would more people participate if they weren't involved?
- Ask: this WG's admin committee members reach out to their admin committees and ask them to make space for this conversation
- LP- there was a suggestion last admin mtg to make Sunday admin committee meetings more focused to specific committees to encourage attendance on days relevant to individual committee members- can be included in agendas
- we need a list of non-negotiables to point to for immediate/ emergency expulsion situations- better to have a policy in place beforehand than create ad hoc in the moment
- larger discussion around why PP is being removed- are they causing harm or overwhelmed? permanent vs temporary removal and paths to each
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Hang outs /social time continue convo in next meeting- come w ideas!
- we're all tired/ overburdened but social time is important for mental health and fighting burnout!
- asynch note from Shea: I can host next planning meeting (potentially 1/6) at my apartment if the group is down! I live alone so we wouldn't have outside distractions. this would also guarantee Meatballs presence :)
- of note: I live ~20min walk from RC and the Jefferson L, this may be a barrier to attendance
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Internal calendar to coordinate tasks for regular admin tasks
- calendar dom assigned via random task wheel- role is responsible for keeping track of dates and posting reminders in chats
- can post upcoming spokescouncil meeting dates once proposal has been voted on in 12/11 spokescoucil meeting
- proposed Jan dates- 1/6 planning meeting; 1/10 spokescouncil meeting
- Collective agenda writing for big meetings- submissions model OR cryptpad
- consensus around crypt pad for ease of use- post link in group description
- agenda writer will triage
- How can we share the labor of this group more fairly?
- by bringing in new people- check in with Frankie- do they still want to be in this group?
- LP needs to take a step back, not available for assigned roles
- Task assigner working?
- yes! we have a smaller pool of members to assign tasks to, tho
- People are not volunteering for offline work... (10 min)
- call back to recruiting- members of this working group are strongly encouraged to reach out to people in other working groups re: joining the planning group- we have fun!!
- Discuss and vote on proposal: https://wiki.commons.nyc/books/spokescouncil-proposals/page/proposal-to-change-spokescouncil-meeting-dates (10 min)
- Friendly Amendment- in the event that the proposed spokescouncil meeting cadence falls on a holiday or is in conflict with a scheduled rental, the spokescouncil planning working group is empowered to use its best judgement in selecting an alternative date that does not conflict with regularly scheduled programming (ie writers workshop or other)
Action Item Round Up:
Assigned-
- Task assigner- Ash
- Planning group's turn to clean the bathroom this week- Ash
- Post admin committee report back form in admin committee chat- committees to have ready for spokes meeting- Shea
- Create programming committee SOP ("a day in the life") + share w programming for approval; use to create SOP template across admin committees- Shea
- Update explainer, add documentation as needed and more visuals for easier digestion (prev. version has been deleted?) - Paul?
- Create breakout chat for General Assembly - proposal - post into announcements chat - Ash/ Shannon -Suggestions for groups to have in chat asynch votes for proposals in WGs Ash has volunteered to start the process if Shannon needs to step back
- Agenda for Spokescouncil meeting- Ash
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Announcement for spokescouncil planning needing help - add to agenda
- Announcement for spokescouncil planning needing help - add to agenda
- continue debate around HOW open Spokescouncil should be to the larger community- add to agenda
- include request for questions/ comments/ feedback to be answered asynchronously- add to agenda
- add headcount to agenda
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- Agenda writing skillshare- Ash, Shea, Iris
- Design feedback container for asynchronous response- LP
- Food for Spokescouncil meeting- Shea
- facilitation game- LP
- reach out to friend for facilitation workshop- Shea
- facilitator candidate identification for "voluntell" shortlist- ALL
- Group poll: do we want to have the next planning meeting at Shea's apt?- Shea
- Vote on next mtg location poll- ALL
- Temp check w Frankie on planning meeting participation- Shea
- Post notes from this meeting in wiki and link in group chat- Shea
- Post meeting action items in chat- Shea
- call out unassigned action items + request volunteers
Unassigned-
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Posts to include in Spokescouncil + WG chat as reminders moving forward/ until planning attendance is better:
- we are opening up for observers to attend spokescouncil meetings (also post to RC community chat)
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Announcement for spokescouncil planning needing help
- open call for 12/11 facilitator
- Post in Spokescouncil WG Chat- delegates should stay in chat after serving their role as notetaker/ voter to stay in the loop on spokescouncil related comms vs leaving chat; please still add any new delegates from your WG to the chat!
- Rewrite charter to make the planning group more approachable/ open to new members
11-4-2025 Spokescouncil Planning meeting
Agenda
2 hrs
5:30-7:30 pm
Quick Checkins (5 min)
Roles: fac, notes, timer (5 min)
Review action Items from spokes meeting
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The spokescouncil meeting has been conflicting with the writer workshop meeting for a while
Spokescouncil meeting overhead tasks (30 min):
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Agenda for next meeting - need volunteer to do this and highlights for the agenda asynchronous
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Agenda announcements to add:
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“Day in the life” of our group to show people what we work on
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we are opening up for observers to attend spokescouncil meetings + post to community - add to agenda as announcement and make a post
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Review the announcements from the last meeting and see if we should boost them (5 min)
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Spokes planning: we need help
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Need volunteers for bake sale
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assign roles: facilitator, notes, timer, stack
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Brief discussion on how meetings have been going and any notes on how to make them better and what’s working well already
Steering/strategy discussion (1 hr):
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in what ways are the admin committees actually held accountable to the spokescouncil (10 min)
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the branding task force "hired" a designer pro-bono to create an entire brand package for RC without input from the broader community and it's just about finished (10 min)
Break (5 min)
Steering/strategy discussion continued (1 hr):
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consider how to increase engagement w/ planning & spokes meetings (20 min)
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better orientation docs for the structures of the space
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re-naming these meetings to invite people to join in strategy discussions, bracketing out future meetings for overhead tasks dedicated to the meeting and strategy/steering conversations
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Reminder during the next big meeting of why we are here. It's up to us to shape this structure in our image. Do it for the rev! Consider a question response format to get ppl actively engaged
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More ideas?
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Discussion if we should open up spokescouncil to observers who aren’t in working groups: Orientation fair at meetings/before or after for observers
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Add ppl to the planning chat before they attend the meeting > regular clean up later v barrier to entry
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GOOD SNAX + music
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Pets
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Cute Flag for stack, antics
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Promote the big monthly spokescouncil meetings in community announcements
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Allowing non delegates to talk
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We are experimenting, bring suggestions
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Action item roundup (5 min)
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Proposal voting - asynch - iris
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Update explainer, add documentation as needed - Paul
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Figure out meeting cadence with writers group - iris
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Breakout chat for General Assembly - proposal - post into announcements chat - ash/shannon -Suggestions for groups to have in chat asynch votes for proposals in WGs
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SNACK ROLE for next meeting - shea will coordinate to find someone
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“A day in the life of an admin committee” template - shea
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“Chore wheel” for randomized roles online for spokescouncil planning chat - Ash asks LP
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make an account with the wiki - Help with authenticating accounts first - Everyone, Paul
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Posts to make:
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we are opening up for observers to attend spokescouncil meetings + post to community - add to agenda as announcement and make a post
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Announcement for spokescouncil planning needing help - add to agenda and invitation flyer/post
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Next meeting:
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Discuss further absentee voting idea
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Discussion name of this group and differentiate it from spokescouncil meetings + invitation
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Rewriting charter to be more open
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Facilitator training/skillshare
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How to revoke point person process
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Hang outs /social time
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Internal calendar to coordinate tasks for regular admin tasks
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Collective agenda writing for big meetings- submissions model
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Notes
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Iris and Paul need to leave around 7
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Potential to end the meeting by 7
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Review and address proposals asynchronously
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Bake sale needs volunteers
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Scheduling Spokes to not conflict with Writing Workshop
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Review action items from spokes meeting
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Draft Spokes Agenda
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Iris will make a pass at drafting the agenda
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Draft to working groups chat for review and suggestions
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Drop role assignments prior to the Spokes
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Shae can invite people to volunteer/shadow in with the announcement
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Notes, time, stack
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Exception - facilitation which benefits from familiarity with the agenda
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Post to the internal announcements chat (vs. the public announcements chat)
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Possibly after the GA consider opening more
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Need someone to being snacks
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Reflection on meetings, to date
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Orderly, time efficient
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General trust toward the admin committee
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Improved communication between moving parts in the space
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Delegate class seeming to form - less communication outside that group
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Exception is pantry, they have a lot of people
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Actively trying in come groups to not establish these structural roles
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Seems like there is less engagement in decision making among all groups than we would hope
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Delegates making decisions on their behalf
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Proposal feedback does not need to be collected in person, maybe more focus on giving them the opportunity to contribute
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Current proposals have been largely uncontroversial
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Potentially more controversial items coming up - e.g. branding, dues
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Request for absentee voting for delegates
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Asynchronous
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Does it make a difference that this probably only works for blanket approvals
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People are a little bit tentative about participating
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Assume more comfort over time
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Admin Committee accountability
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How does this work?
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Might be useful to have a template for admin committee reports back
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What are they doing?
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How are they doing?
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Suggestion that it be made “What have we done in the past” “What did we do this month” “What are we planning”
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Further discussion on potential to open SC meetings to observers who are looking to learn more about RC
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Reports back could serve as a point of entry into collective work
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Revocable if seen by the SC as not filling their role
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Process doesn’t exist yet
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Having it clear makes it more likely people can utilize it
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Someone could take time to draft some language
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Better notes at the Sunday Admin meeting
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Share them out for transparency
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Invite feedback and follow up
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Inviting more people from WGs to join Admin committees
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Need more people to be more engaged with Admin
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Hang out more
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Visit everyone’s cats
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Visit Meatball
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Branding
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Desire expressed for coherent branding
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Group chat formed, Eros contacted to create a brand package
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Had hoped this would be put forward as a proposal
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Won’t be ready for November
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Suggestion that it be ready for December
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This will probably be a pass/fail
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Question about why it needs to be coherent
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Can there be a library of options that includes various vibes and aesthetics
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Reminder that this is a tool you can use to help but WGs can always make their own stuff
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More options rather than less
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Is there an issue with people having done a thing that impacts everyone?
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Pro bono work
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Should this have been a proposal?
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Option vs. mandate
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Anyone else can submit pro bono branding
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Context for the announcement of the branding committee
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Open call, took the initiative
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They are planning to begin work on building the templates for social media
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Do we need to ask them to wait for the SC meeting to make the proposal
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Potential concerns about the vibe of the materials
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Library
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Going to begin moving through formal channels to build stewardship committee
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Steering strategy discussion
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Increase engagement with planning and spokes meetings
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Better orientation
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Renaming meetings to invite participation
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Reminder about why we are here - vision
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Open call for ideas
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Observers at spokes meetings
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Orientation faire either before or after the spokes meeting
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Look at meeting timing for increased participation
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Consider adding people to the SC Planning chat before they come to a meeting
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Regular chat clean ups
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Vibes
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Snacks
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Pets
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Music
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Whimsy
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Libby’s stack flag
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Games
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Post in Community announcements - promote the SC meeting
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More proposals
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More transparency
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Potential for driving engagement for newcomers
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Straw poll - everyone in favor of bringing this suggestion to the WG thread
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Sharing the labor
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Allowing non-delegates to talk in the meetings
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This is good for vibe
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Reserving the right to table things
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Reinforce the spirit of experimentation
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Are people having trouble coming to these meetings?
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Timing is an issue for some
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Basement usually free 6-8
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Support for keeping Tuesdays because of open co-working
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Monthly check lists of tasks
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Sharing info from meetings
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Notes from the agenda in the announcements chat
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Reminders
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Reminders about proposal deadline
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Reminders to review proposals
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List of proposals
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Reminder about SC Planning meeting
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Reminder about SC meeting
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This can happen offline
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Android phones can pre-schedule signal messages
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Suggestion to assign and rotate roles
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Ongoing tasks
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SC planning
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Planning meeting Facilitation
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Agenda writing for SC Planning
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Posting on the chat
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Calendar Dom
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SC
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Facilitation
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If new facilitators, ensure attendance at the SC Planning meeting prior to the SC
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Announcement summaries
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Digest
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RC Ambassador
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Feedback collection
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Orientation
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Documentation/explainer updater (Paul is interested in this)
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Chore wheel!
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Posts to the chat
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Is there a digital option?
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If people can’t do the work that week, potential to invite new people into the chat
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Facilitator training should still happen
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Review announcements
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Come to the next spokes planning
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Volunteers needed for bake sale and markets etc
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Previous meeting made a point of clarifying how this experiment came together and that we need to collaborate to make the space work
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Language could use clarification to make it more accessible and less repetitive
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Steering and coordinator admin is clearer
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Less clear is strategy role
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Selection bias around participation in the SC makes it harder for the Planning committee to respond to larger strategic or philosophical issues with the model
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People who don’t accept the model aren’t participating
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Hosting the GA will probably provide material for proposing bigger changes
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We want to have a general assembly
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Proposal is dates
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Proposal to solicit agenda items/discussion topics
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Suggestion: This is not a decision-making body
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Clarifying past challenges and future excitement
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Spokescouncil Planning Meeting - Date: 11-02-2025
Spokescouncil Planning Meeting - Date: 11-02-2025
Agenda
Quick Checkins (5 min)
Roles: fac, notes, timer (5 min)
Review action Items from spokes meeting
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The spokescouncil meeting has been conflicting with the writer workshop meeting for a while
Spokescouncil meeting overhead tasks (30 min):
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Agenda for next meeting - need volunteer to do this and highlights for the agenda asynchronous
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“Day in the life” of our group to show people what we work on
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we are opening up for observers to attend spokescouncil meetings + post to community - add to agenda as announcement and make a post
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Review the announcements from the last meeting and see if we should boost them (5 min)
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Spokes planning: we need help
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Need volunteers for bake sale
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Agenda announcements to add:
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assign roles: facilitator, notes, timer, stack
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Brief discussion on how meetings have been going and any notes on how to make them better and what’s working well already
Steering/strategy discussion (1 hr):
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in what ways are the admin committees actually held accountable to the spokescouncil (10 min)
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the branding task force "hired" a designer pro-bono to create an entire brand package for RC without input from the broader community and it's just about finished (10 min)
Break (5 min)
Steering/strategy discussion continued (1 hr):
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consider how to increase engagement w/ planning & spokes meetings (20 min)
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Discussion if we should open up spokescouncil to observers who aren’t in working groups: Orientation fair at meetings/before or after for observers
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Add ppl to the planning chat before they attend the meeting > regular clean up later v barrier to entry
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GOOD SNAX + music
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Pets
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Cute Flag for stack, antics
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Promote the big monthly spokescouncil meetings in community announcements
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Allowing non delegates to talk
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We are experimenting, bring suggestions
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better orientation docs for the structures of the space
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re-naming these meetings to invite people to join in strategy discussions, bracketing out future meetings for overhead tasks dedicated to the meeting and strategy/steering conversations
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Reminder during the next big meeting of why we are here. It's up to us to shape this structure in our image. Do it for the rev! Consider a question response format to get ppl actively engaged
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More ideas?
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- How can we share the labor of this group more fairly:(20 min)
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Are folks in this chat having trouble coming to these meetings and taking on tasks? If so, why? What can we do to help?
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Start time at 6:30
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6-8 basement
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Ask chat
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Offline work
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monthly checklists of tasks for this group to do (cadence for reminders, send meeting announcements more effectively than "hey here's a 12 page document of notes from the meeting!")
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monthly roles: we could consider every month, assigning roles to ppl in this group so we can swap tasks and spread the labor more evenly. someone to be the chat poster/reminder/calendar dom, someone to write the agenda, someone to facilitate, etc. asking for volunteers seems to not work well. We may need to assign roles randomly and people can say no if they can’t do it. Also offer to collaborate on tasks like facilitation or agenda writing.
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Chore wheel for spokescouncil planning chat
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Roles:
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Facilitator
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Agenda writer
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Calendar dom + post monthly checklist dom, meeting reminder
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digest/highlights esp requests for help
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Document updater - explainer
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Feedback roundup/orientation
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Action item roundup (5 min)
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Proposal voting - asynch - iris
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Update explainer, add documentation as needed - Paul
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Figure out meeting cadence with writers group - iris
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Breakout chat for General Assembly - proposal - post into announcements chat - ash/shannon -Suggestions for groups to have in chat asynch votes for proposals in WGs
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SNACK ROLE for next meeting - shea will coordinate to find someone
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“A day in the life of an admin committee” template - shea
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“Chore wheel” for randomized roles online for spokescouncil planning chat - Ash asks LP
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make an account with the wiki - Help with authenticating accounts first - Everyone, Paul
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Posts to make:
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we are opening up for observers to attend spokescouncil meetings + post to community - add to agenda as announcement and make a post
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Announcement for spokescouncil planning needing help - add to agenda and invitation flyer/post
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Next meeting:
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Discuss further absentee voting idea
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Discussion name of this group and differentiate it from spokescouncil meetings + invitation
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Rewriting charter to be more open
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Facilitator training/skillshare
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How to revoke point person process
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Hang outs /social time
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Internal calendar to coordinate tasks for regular admin tasks
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Collective agenda writing for big meetings- submissions model
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Detailed Meeting Notes
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Iris and Paul need to leave around 7
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Potential to end the meeting by 7
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Review and address proposals asynchronously
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Bake sale needs volunteers
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Scheduling Spokes to not conflict with Writing Workshop
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Review action items from spokes meeting
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Draft Spokes Agenda
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Iris will make a pass at drafting the agenda
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Draft to working groups chat for review and suggestions
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Drop role assignments prior to the Spokes
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Shae can invite people to volunteer/shadow in with the announcement
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Notes, time, stack
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Exception - facilitation which benefits from familiarity with the agenda
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Post to the internal announcements chat (vs. the public announcements chat)
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Possibly after the GA consider opening more
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Need someone to being snacks
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Reflection on meetings, to date
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Orderly, time efficient
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General trust toward the admin committee
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Improved communication between moving parts in the space
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Delegate class seeming to form - less communication outside that group
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Exception is pantry, they have a lot of people
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Actively trying in come groups to not establish these structural roles
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Seems like there is less engagement in decision making among all groups than we would hope
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Delegates making decisions on their behalf
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Proposal feedback does not need to be collected in person, maybe more focus on giving them the opportunity to contribute
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Current proposals have been largely uncontroversial
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Potentially more controversial items coming up - e.g. branding, dues
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Request for absentee voting for delegates
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Asynchronous
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Does it make a difference that this probably only works for blanket approvals
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People are a little bit tentative about participating
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Assume more comfort over time
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Admin Committee accountability
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How does this work?
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Might be useful to have a template for admin committee reports back
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What are they doing?
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How are they doing?
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Suggestion that it be made “What have we done in the past” “What did we do this month” “What are we planning”
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Further discussion on potential to open SC meetings to observers who are looking to learn more about RC
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Reports back could serve as a point of entry into collective work
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Revocable if seen by the SC as not filling their role
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Process doesn’t exist yet
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Having it clear makes it more likely people can utilize it
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Someone could take time to draft some language
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Better notes at the Sunday Admin meeting
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Share them out for transparency
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Invite feedback and follow up
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Inviting more people from WGs to join Admin committees
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Need more people to be more engaged with Admin
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Hang out more
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Visit everyone’s cats
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Visit Meatball
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Branding
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Desire expressed for coherent branding
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Group chat formed, Eros contacted to create a brand package
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Had hoped this would be put forward as a proposal
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Won’t be ready for November
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Suggestion that it be ready for December
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This will probably be a pass/fail
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Question about why it needs to be coherent
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Can there be a library of options that includes various vibes and aesthetics
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Reminder that this is a tool you can use to help but WGs can always make their own stuff
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More options rather than less
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Is there an issue with people having done a thing that impacts everyone?
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Pro bono work
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Should this have been a proposal?
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Option vs. mandate
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Anyone else can submit pro bono branding
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Context for the announcement of the branding committee
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Open call, took the initiative
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They are planning to begin work on building the templates for social media
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Do we need to ask them to wait for the SC meeting to make the proposal
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Potential concerns about the vibe of the materials
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Library
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Going to begin moving through formal channels to build stewardship committee
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Steering strategy discussion
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Increase engagement with planning and spokes meetings
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Better orientation
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Renaming meetings to invite participation
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Reminder about why we are here - vision
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Open call for ideas
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Observers at spokes meetings
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Orientation faire either before or after the spokes meeting
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Look at meeting timing for increased participation
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Consider adding people to the SC Planning chat before they come to a meeting
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Regular chat clean ups
-
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Vibes
-
Snacks
-
Pets
-
Music
-
-
Whimsy
-
Libby’s stack flag
-
Games
-
-
Post in Community announcements - promote the SC meeting
-
More proposals
-
More transparency
-
Potential for driving engagement for newcomers
-
Straw poll - everyone in favor of bringing this suggestion to the WG thread
-
-
-
Sharing the labor
-
Allowing non-delegates to talk in the meetings
-
This is good for vibe
-
Reserving the right to table things
-
-
Reinforce the spirit of experimentation
-
Are people having trouble coming to these meetings?
-
Timing is an issue for some
-
Basement usually free 6-8
-
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Support for keeping Tuesdays because of open co-working
-
-
Monthly check lists of tasks
-
Sharing info from meetings
-
Notes from the agenda in the announcements chat
-
Reminders
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Reminders about proposal deadline
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Reminders to review proposals
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List of proposals
-
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Reminder about SC Planning meeting
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Reminder about SC meeting
-
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This can happen offline
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Android phones can pre-schedule signal messages
-
-
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Suggestion to assign and rotate roles
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Ongoing tasks
-
SC planning
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Planning meeting Facilitation
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Agenda writing for SC Planning
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Posting on the chat
-
Calendar Dom
-
-
SC
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Facilitation
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If new facilitators, ensure attendance at the SC Planning meeting prior to the SC
-
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Announcement summaries
-
Digest
-
RC Ambassador
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Feedback collection
-
Orientation
-
-
Documentation/explainer updater (Paul is interested in this)
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-
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Chore wheel!
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Posts to the chat
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Is there a digital option?
-
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If people can’t do the work that week, potential to invite new people into the chat
-
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Facilitator training should still happen
-
-
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Review announcements
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Come to the next spokes planning
-
Volunteers needed for bake sale and markets etc
-
-
Previous meeting made a point of clarifying how this experiment came together and that we need to collaborate to make the space work
-
Language could use clarification to make it more accessible and less repetitive
-
Steering and coordinator admin is clearer
-
Less clear is strategy role
-
-
Selection bias around participation in the SC makes it harder for the Planning committee to respond to larger strategic or philosophical issues with the model
-
People who don’t accept the model aren’t participating
-
Hosting the GA will probably provide material for proposing bigger changes
-
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We want to have a general assembly
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Proposal is dates
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Proposal to solicit agenda items/discussion topics
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Suggestion: This is not a decision-making body
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Clarifying past challenges and future excitement
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2025-10-07 Spokescouncil Planning WG Meeting
- i am concerned that there is a delegate chat emerging that does not represent and is not responsive to the group
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food pantry does not have regular meetings in which to relay information like this
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i think the gym is also not having regular meetings
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more people are murmoring about the fact that there was no announcement made on the WB WF or patreon
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shea is willing to take on making the admin committee signs that explains who and what they are with contact info
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lp: this can iterate into a much larger sign that explains the entire structure of the space
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we need better announcements for the planning meetings. remind people again day-of
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what should we do about the 2-week window within which we can make proposals. it feels like too long of a window for a cutoff for proposals.
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we could shorten the time, get consensus, then have window of time for blockers
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lp suggestion: have an open question asking & collection session before a break
- draft agenda for the next meeting
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introduction w/ names & pronouns (5 min)
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spokescouncil & admin committees review (10 min)
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explain the spokes planning group & encourage participation
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admin committee updates (5 min each-- 25 min max)
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tech/comms
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finance
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fundraising & grants
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programming & rentals
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facilities
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BREAK 5min
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working group updates (5 mins each would be 45min)
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food pantry
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gym
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tutoring
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spokes planning
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sunday dinner
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tech collective
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tuesday reading group
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writing group
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yoga / meditation
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BREAK 5min
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LJ to present on work done on branding (10 min)
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discussion session (20 min)
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are delegates actually rotating? do delegates feel like they can rotate?
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are people actually able to check-in with their groups to achieve internal agreement on proposals within the 2-week timeframe
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let's check in with each WG about what their meeting cadence is & practices have been so far ahead of spokes meetings
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open question session (10 min)
2025-09-02 Spokescouncil Planning WG Meeting
Spokescouncil Planning WG Meeting - Date: 09-02-2025
Agenda
- Feedback overheard
- Review next spokescouncil meeting agenda - finalize
- Review proposals - make notes of friendly amendments for the delegate (tbd)
- AOB (urgent)
- Additional items if time:
- Spokescouncil SOP documentation updates
- Recruitment
- Hugs & kisses & action items before/for Thursday meeting
Notes
Attendance
-shannon, vanessa, ash, paul, katelyn, ewa, caroline, briar
Feedback overheard
- open up discussions for beyond "fish bowl"
- forum for everyone to say something if not at spokescouncil, maybe a general assembly or town hall
- GA v Spokescouncil - what are they good for? what can they achieve?
- what is the space for? mutual aid for whom?
- once per quarter, spokescouncil is observable by general community
- open up fishbowl to beyond WG's at spokes
- feedback mechanism
- announce spokescouncil meetings sooner + flyer
- set schedule for planning meetings - monday before every meeting
Review next spokescouncil meeting agenda - finalize
-how to handle proposals :
- how to handle proposals that came in late - send a note + check in at beginning of meeting + check in on quorum (do WG's who haven't had the amt of time to make a decision care or not if a vote happens?)
- parking lot for proposals that are tabled for now
- consent agenda to triage proposals
- visual diagram: longer checklist for WGs to prep+ proposals deadline
- seasons are changing, hard to get ppl in a room together
- delegates making decisions for their group w/o consent could be tricky with issues of trust further developing in the space
- survey or poll for feedback
- prioritize proposals for a consent agenda to bring up to the top what ppl need to discuss
- groups who are present nominate proposals for discussion, not enough nominations, they don't get to talk about it or wait til the end to discuss the late ones
- final thought on how to deal with proposals that come in late: any single delegate that didn't get a chance to discuss with their group, the proposal is tabled
- sustaining contributions added to agenda
- integrate FAs asynchronously
- blocking amendments - this will not be passed w/o amendment (next meeting)
we need to update documentation
- updated explainer
- cheat sheet
6 month - Nov - general assembly to get feedback
proposal workshop/mentoring: checklist, as our WG announcement
cofac - katelyn, looking for co-fac at next meeting
role for our group: proposal round up, make ppl know they can reach out to one of us if they send something a little late, aggregating proposals and sending them out
culture point: ppl always post to the delegates chat when they write a proposal
open call to help shannon with developing general assembly @ signal in agenda
Proposal Votes:
Bathroom Proposal https://wiki.commons.nyc/books/spokescouncil-proposals/page/proposal-for-bathroom-cleaning-rotation
- FA's
- every week
- sign up sheet online or irl on the door. chore wheel or random/self selected?
- consider including a note on the proposal - who keeps track of it? WG self-managed? or facilities?
- every week
RC Community Announcements Chat https://wiki.commons.nyc/books/spokescouncil-proposals/page/rc-community-announcements-chat
- FA's
- "friends of RC" community spaces can share events through this chat. not individuals but sharing events by other community spaces to limit it a little bit.
- need clarity around which events are shared? and how?
- ask for volunteers to admin at the next meeting and set expectations for the chat
RC Coordination Chat https://wiki.commons.nyc/books/spokescouncil-proposals/page/rc-coordination-chat
FA's
- MOU will have the QR code to be added to coordination chat
- set the chat up so no one needs to be an admin
Physical RC Community Calendar https://wiki.commons.nyc/books/spokescouncil-proposals/page/physical-rc-community-calendar - we didn't get enough time to vote on this
Action items (need ppl to sign up):
- Short term:
- Katelyn will look for co-facilitator for next meeting KW discussing with Caroline!!!
- send a note about late proposals to spokescouncil announcements chat and delegates chat Iris and KW drafting/ sending this 9/4
- updates to sep 11 meeting agenda (Katelyn - noted and amended):
- how to deal with proposals that come in late: any single delegate that didn't get a chance to discuss with their group, the proposal is tabled
- "sustaining contributions" added to agenda for liability/fundraising announcements from Vanessa
- Spokescouncil Planning WG announcements (for Paul as Delegate to share):
- Please join the Spokescouncil Planning Working Group! We would love your help to shape the self-governance at RC, talk to one of the people here - we will have a standing meeting the Monday before every Spokescouncil meeting that is open for anyone to join
- looking for co-fac for next meeting in October, volunteers
- proposal workshop/mentoring offerings as well as training to co-facilitate
- General Assembly: briefly say what it is (open discussion and 6ish month review of how things are going), reach out to Shannon via signal to help organize
- Reminder that anyone can organize a discussion and you don't need to go through the spokescouncil to do it (example: After Sunday dinners people have been getting together to informally discuss what is happening at RC)
- If you want to form a working group you can do that whenever you want, coordinate when you want to use the space with people in programming and start doing your thing. once it feels like you have a solid working group, write a charter and submit to spokescouncil to be ratified
- culture point: ppl always post to the delegates chat when they write a proposal so we can be alerted to them and share them outward to the spokescouncil announcements
- We will be developing a feedback mechanism so people can share thoughts asynchronously to make these meetings and self governance structures better
- Please join the Spokescouncil Planning Working Group! We would love your help to shape the self-governance at RC, talk to one of the people here - we will have a standing meeting the Monday before every Spokescouncil meeting that is open for anyone to join
- Long term:
- organize session to air difficult feelings and dreams, find ppl to collab with (Shannon)
- organize 6 month ish General Assembly, find ppl to collab with (Shannon)
- introduce "blocking amendment" next meeting in October
- parking lot on wiki for proposals that are tabled ()katelyn added folder called "WIP proposals)
- feedback mechanism, email, survey or poll for feedback (need BL)
- updated explainer document and spokescouncil cheat sheet (need BL kw started both here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LHIFz9Il7UPGIBO_woM4YXV6xGoPKrmO2P70wBdpMgE/edit?usp=sharing; to finish after next meeting and share before next spokescoucil wg meeting)
- standing meeting days for RC spokescouncil planning - Monday before every meeting kw will add to calendar once access from Johnny
- develop visual checklist + deadlines for next meeting in Oct (need BL ... can we use the table in the google link above?)
2025-08-09 Spokescouncil planning WG notes from spokescouncil meeting
Questions on spokescouncil terminology:
- Clarify "ratification" definition (What does it mean for the charters to be ratified? What is the process to amend?)
- Clarify "friendly amendment" versus "block"
- Clarify "RC member" versus "community"
General admin committee feedback to consider:
- How will each of these groups work together, especially with finance and planning/rentals
Feedback on spokescouncil planning charter
- Clarify RC member versus community (see above)
- Bold terms specific to the space
- Explain why this is a WG instead of a committee
- Add a note on working with other Thursday events (e.g. writers) for every other Thursday monthly meeting i.e., who has precedent
Announcements:
- KW has additional notes from announcements -- will cross-check with general meeting notes and add anything missed
Spokescouncil Planning Meeting 08-05-2025 6 pm
Spokescouncil Planning Meeting - Date: 08-05-2025
Agenda
- check ins (5 min)
- roles: (5 min)
- facilitator
- notes
- stack
- timer
- admin collective delegate voting clarification + announcement + add updates to explainer (5 min)
- review charters + friendly amendments + vote (40 min) 16 charters
- break (10 min)
- delegates (20 min)
- choose method of selection, rotation
- select delegates + backups for Aug 9 meeting
- roles for running the Aug 9 meeting (5 min)
- help set up space /prep
- facilitator (ash + anyone else??)
- Explanation of the Two Wheel Model
- stack (shelby)
- announce how to join the spokescouncil wg
- notes (note taker notes which wgs and committees are in attendance and the delegate names)
- timer (shelby)
- vibes
- swearjar! (5 min)
- help with the afterparty (5 min)
- clean up
- dj /music
- lighting
- action items round up (5 min)
- admin collective delegate announcement to group chat
- add updates to explainer
- for next time:
- meeting on thurs?: review agenda, finalize
- how do we let groups respond to FA's when they need to discuss?
- how often we want to meet
- chat admin privileges
- role trainings
Detailed Meeting Notes
- admin collective delegate voting clarification + announcement + add updates to explainer (5 min)
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each admin committee has one representative
- can make announcements
- to engage in discussions in a way that represents their gruops
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finance committee & liability are the only committees that have blocking power
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admin committees do not vote
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TODO update the explainer and proposal to reflect these changes
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vanessa: only 3 groups mentioned finances in their charters (fundraising, pantry, gym). it would be nice if working groups could acknowledge that the space needs money to survive
- katelyn: it would be nice to have an idea of the operating costs of the space to inform what groups can or will contribute
- ash: maybe fundraising committee could work on coordinating with groups around contributing money
- briar: for example-- kids tutoring group says "as coordinated with the programming committee", perhaps "in coordination with the fundraising committee, we will donate to the space". it's flexible. could be via personal donations or through the labor of organizing fundraisers and stuff
- TODO briar: write friendly amendment about money for all groups
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- vanessa: can we soft-ratify. what does ratification actually mean.
- if we prolong the charter process we will be blocking actual proposals for things
- in order for a new working group to come into existence, they need to submit a proposal that needs to be ratified
- TODO pick a date for the next meeting so we can announce it at the coming spokes meeting
- we could either review or re-ratify the charter as they change
- TODO every committee needs to make a report back on what executive decisions they've made so far and what they're planning for the future. maybe the committees could announce their activity on the chat or the spokes announcement chat or some channel ahead of the meeting.
- notes on individual charters
- comms and tech
- not specific enough about what accounts it needs creds and admin access to
- finance
- it makes reference to points of unity but it seems like that document doesn't exist yet
- programming
- we need new chats to replace the film screening and research group chats
- how will RC's intellectual programming differ from woodbine's given that we're aligning ourselves as a mutual aid space
- TODO add friendly amendment about how the community can submit requests for programming via a form or whatever
- comms and tech
- question: how to friendly amendments actually work
- how does charter ratification actually work given the friendly amendments
- maybe
- the delegate can decide to accept friendly amendments at the meeting
- what happens if they deny a friendly amendment
- the delegate can decide to accept friendly amendments at the meeting
- friendly amendments indicate a pass with a caveat
- groups are expected to i.e. change the charter to reflect the changes. there will be follow-up on for example, the expected changes to the charter
- friendly amendments are made during the meeting. they are not accepted or rejected at the meeting. the groups then rewrite their charters in the next two weeks and post them widely and then explain which they are accepting or rejecting in the delegates chat. it will only be discussed at the next meeting if a group is concerned enough to make a proposal about it at the next meeting.
- the working group planning group will flag concerns that groups have about this process and integrate stuff
- Q: what is the delegates chat. it's a place for the wg delegates to discuss proposals and stuff. the chat exists already but delegates need to be added.
- ok back to charters:
- programming
- TODO friendly amendment: remove direct reference to "coordinators chat"
- we're anticipating a lot of people having this same friendly amendment and might just tell them it's been considered already
- TODO friendly amendment: remove direct reference to "coordinators chat"
- programming
- points of unity-- they still don't exist and we said spokescouncil coudn't take over until we agreed on points of unity
- TODO make an announcement to ask people to propose points of unity at the next meeting
- ok back to charters again:
- facilities
- friendly ammendments:
- TODO friendly ammendment-- they have $100 monthly discretionary spending as long as they keep receipts
- TODO should facilities handle restocking consumables and medical supplies, narcan, defrib etc
- TODO coordinate waste management even if they aren't the ones taking the trash out
- TODO add something about keeping the space safe
- maybe
- coordinating cleaning?
- onboarding and training are missing
- all of these might be too much to put on them but we'll talk to iris ahead of time. maybe just focus on discretionary spending and waste management
- TODO some groups specify that need key access but every individual to sign an MOU to have key access
- friendly ammendments:
- gym
- TODO amendment: change "spokes planning committee" to "programming committee"
- TODO tutoring-- add something about how they need to add MOUs
- TODO spokes planning committee-- be more specific about "RC" members, change it to "working group members"
- dinner
- it seems like they're saying they'll propose every benefit dinner before the spokescouncil but that seems like it would require planning out an entire month of dinners ahead of time
- facilities
- selecting delegates. we can decide on a more systematic method in the future
- speaker: briar
- note-taker: katelyn
- roles for running the meeting:
- space setup
- facilitator
- TODO explanation of two wheel model: we should set up a projector with the diagram (p cm and ash)
- explain the two-wheel model.
- have people raise their hands who can explain the structure more later
- TODO explanation of two wheel model: we should set up a projector with the diagram (p cm and ash)
- stack: shelby
- announce how to join the spokescouncil wg: ash
- note-taker: maybe shea or rhye
- timer: shelby
- question scribe-- scrap this and direct people to talk to the people who raised their hands at the start of the meeting as "come-talk-to-me" people.
- vibes-- everyone
- TODO swearjar: 0.25 for every time somebody says woodbine instead of RC-- we'll rename it the deadname jar. but will this piss people off. let's think about this.
- help with the afterparty:
- still need a dj
- cleanup
- lighting: p cm
- chat admin privileges
- action items
- TODO finalize agenda
- TODO annoucements
- details about how admin commitees participate in spokescounsil
- brief explainer of how friendly amendments will actually work:
- briar: drafting broad ammendment about wgs contributing money
- paul: be ready to add delegates to the delegate chat at the end of the meeting
- settle on a date for the next meeting: sept 11 2025
- make the deadname jar
Spokescounsil Planning Meeting 02-06-2025 6pm
Reminder: Process shape for discussing proposals
Proposal Process for Spokes Planning Meetings adapted from “Consensus”(keep close to 33 min total):
- Intro proposal (5 min)
- Questions/Concerns (5 min)
- Friendly ammendments (10 min)
- Withdrawals (1 min)
- Voting/Blocks/Stand Asides (1 min)
- If Block occcurs > discussion > ammendments offered (10 min)
- Vote again (1 min)
Agenda
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eat and hang (60mins)
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super speedy emotional check ins (no gossip), 1 min per person or less (8mins)
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claim roles (2mins) * facilitator * note-taker * stack * time-keeper * action-item-wrangler
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action item check-ins (10mins)
- Move proposals / make proposals with LP's template
- (All) Comment on outreach proposal here
- (Ash +LP) Refine Spokes explainer
- (Ash) Make spokes flyer
- (Iris) To craft inline text blurb to announce Spokes in signal chats
- (Frankie) to write a proposal about prioritizing proposals (with dot voting)
- (Frankie) Write a first draft agenda for the 1st Spokes meeting
- (Ash) Write proposal: Cleaning proposal process
- (Andrew) to identify "dream team" of people who know things about the physical infrastructure of woodbine (and its problems)
- (Andrew) At next meeting, Andrew wrangles action items
- (Briar) Write out what we need to do to make the next meeting the last before the actual Spokes meeting
- (Briar) Write an agenda for the next meeting
- (LP) Make date poll for the next meeting
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outreach (10mins)
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style of consensus (10mins)
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how to post agenda items (10mins)
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how to prioritize agenda items (15mins)
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break (5mins)
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quorum (5mins)
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how roles get decided (5mins)
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how meeting dates are decided (2mins)
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how long are the meetings (3mins)
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sitdown with directors (10mins)
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first spokes council agenda (15mins)
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unplug the space heater (5secs)
Notes
Attending: Frankie, Briar, Ash, Paul, LP, Natalie, Maria
Reminder: Process for discussing proposals
- Proposal Process for Spokes Planning Meetings adapted from “Consensus”(keep close to 33 min total):
- Intro proposal (5 min)
- Questions/Concerns (5 min)
- Friendly ammendments (10 min)
- Withdrawals (1 min)
- Voting/Blocks/Stand Asides (1 min)
- If Block occcurs > discussion > ammendments offered (10 min)
- Vote again (1 min)
Roles:
- Facilitator - frankie
- Note-taker - ash
- Stack - paul
- Time-keeper - briar
- Action-item-wrangler - LP
Proposal Review/Voting:
outreach (10mins) No Friendly Ammendments (FA), Vote outcome: pass
style of consensus (10mins)
- FA:
- Woodbine has liability to be considered and respected, concerns were voiced that proposals must respect liability
- Proposals should include some caveat that anything regarding changes to finance structure need to include the finance team, should consult them while drafting any proposal that touches finances
- Proposals should include awareness and respect for the legacy of how things have been operating without being stuck in old ways if they are clearly not working, those drafting proposals are expected to research this and talk to people working in the areas their proposal touches
- Proposals need to be concerned with working groups being asked to do labor
- Proposals should involve awareness of/research into who at Woodbine has expertise in an area that the Proposal touches (i.e. consult dinner wg for any dinner related proposals)
- Proposals need to including an explanation/ proof of the problem it is trying to solve
- Vote outcome: pass
how to post agenda items (10mins)
- FA:
- Need a digital wall too
- Why we need it: Physical space centers woodbine, announces way to participate in space, lower barrier to posting , printers at woodbine, physical way to vote
- Role to consolidate online/physical walls (TBD)
- Signal chat for discussing proposals (TBD)
- Physical process only to start, worry about digital wall later
- Need a digital wall too
- Vote outcome: pass
how to prioritize agenda items (15mins)
- FA:
- Setting agenda in advance important
- Debate over voting as individuals or having WG reps vote
- voting as individuals makes fewer meetings necessary for the WG reps
- Impetus for individuals to vote may force ppl to read proposals
- large WGs may have more sway
- Visuals: Pins, stickers, markers on proposal to prioritize proposals
- Counting dots of everyone can be arduous v reps
- Need clear description of who can vote on this at Woodbine
- Vote outcome: pass
quorum (5mins)
- FA:
- Take attendance, Outreach if ppl aren’t showing up
- Explain difference b/w Tabling v blocking
- Possibility of bad faith actors not showing up to keep something from moving forward
- This qourum proposal is a working rule but we can address something fishy or bad faith if we sense it
- Vote: pass
how roles get decided (5mins)
- FA:
- Systematize rotating roles
- Training, shadowing, collaborating to get ppl doing roles
- Not spokes planning people filling roles
- Will figure out next roles at the end of the meeting
- Vote: pass
how meeting dates are decided (2mins)
- FA:
- Alternate days occasionally so no one is blocked off
- Feedback mechanism to change (via proposal)
- Alternate b/w two days in a broad poll via chat
- How can we actually book up the calendar? Issues with blocking rentals? (TBD)
- No vote: Withdrawal to discuss further
how long are the meetings (3mins)
- FA: none
- vote: pass
how spokes communicate outside of meetings (10mins)
- FA:
- Worries expressed that discussion chat protocols need to be enforced
- Admins can figure out as they go, but some norms/protocols should be set in advance
- Reword so there is no confusion about the representatives inviting new ones
- suggestion that any discussion should be wirtten inside the proposals themselves
- Can the discussion chat be a free space to discuss? provides place for Working groups to discuss together
- Does it cause an issue with some admin metabolizing comments into meetings? Too much work, could be messy
- discussion chat could be a “free play space”
- Prep people for change i.e. “this is an experiment”
- What is the relationship b/w this and the coordinators chat? (TBD pending directors sit down and refining the scope of the spokescouncil)
- Anyone can join the spokes chats v coordinators chat is currently only people who signed MOUs
- QR codes to join chats
- Vote: pass
sitdown with directors (10mins)
- We will have this meeting sit down meeting with the directors soon
- Parallel work happening b/w spokes and directorship
- Accountability, empowering people to show up and know how to be supportive - spokes can solve that
- Invisibilized labor needs to be made visible, spokes can solve that
- Legal, finance, liability autonomedia - structure was lacking, may come together (Maria)
- Repetition of not having things be transparent, People who cant be at the space like maria rely on other people , Dont want to have to repeat across so many chats (Maria)
- Lease and liability not up for debate (Maria)
first spokes council agenda (15mins)
- FA:
- Needs reworking for cleaning project explanation of current cleaning situation
- Directorship intro included with time for them to speak, need to coordinate how much time they need with consideration for what spokes planning had already prioritized
- Adjust time allotted for items
- Vote: pass
Action item roundup:
- Digital wall for proposals (TBD)
- Explainer and flyer (ash and LP)
- Help briar make the physical proposal board (need volunteers)
- Edit proposals with FA post meeting (All)
- Meeting for spokes planning and directors to meet (Ash, Ella, Natalie)
- Finalize agenda for 1st meeting (ash, frank, paul)
- Proposal, "how meeting dates are decided", needs work to vote again, vote via chat asynchronously
- Pick a date for first spokes meeting (TBD)
- Skills training ideas (TBD)
Spokescouncil Planning Meeting 01-15-2025 6pm
Action items
- Move proposals / make proposals with LP's template
- (All) Comment on outreach proposal here
- (Ash +LP) Refine Spokes explainer
- (Ash) Make spokes flyer
- (Iris) To craft inline text blurb to announce Spokes in signal chats
- (Frankie) to write a proposal about prioritizing proposals (with dot voting)
- (Frankie) Write a first draft agenda for the 1st Spokes meeting
- (Ash) Write proposal: Cleaning proposal process
- (Andrew) to identify "dream team" of people who know things about the physical infrastructure of woodbine (and its problems)
- (Andrew) At next meeting, Andrew wrangles action items
- (Briar) Write out what we need to do to make the next meeting the last before the actual Spokes meeting
- (Briar) Write an agenda for the next meeting
- (LP) Make date poll for the next meeting
Notes Summary
- Soft consensus around a desire to have next mtg be the last before the Spokescouncil meets!
- Some discussion about Peter Gelderloos' book Consensus, which offers food for thought on collective decisionmaking
- We'll talk more next time about what consensus model we like. Consensus? Consensus minus 1? We have diverging opinions in the group.
- We recapped how the fishbowl Spokescouncil format works, and folks present agreed to try that format for initial Spokes meeting
- We've aligned on calling on Working Groups for proposals, but likely only discussing cleaning proposal(s) at the first Spokes meeting
- There are lots of action items to complete async before the next meeting!! See above.
Agenda
- eat & hang (60min)
- super speedy emotional check ins + No gossip announcement, 1 min per person or less (8 min)
- claim roles (2min)
- facilitator: Ashley, Ella
- note-taker: Farnk
- stack: LP
- time-keeper: Briar
- action item check-ins (10min)
- (Paul) Write agenda for next time
- (LP) Set poll for next meeting time
- [ella started this ] (LP) Combine Ella and LP’s existing explainers, on LP’s wiki page and BEEF IT UP
- (Frankie) evaluate which groups would be inlcuded/excluded from spoke representation using the criteria we setlled on
- Added column to WB chats spreadsheet.
- (all) please help me turn Not Sures into Yes / Nos!
- (All) Reformat existing proposals into LP’s proposal template, for discussion next time
- (Ash) use the new proposal template for the new proposals above in the New proposal ideas before 1st meeting section
- discuss takeaways from Peter Gelderloos for our proposal process (20 min)
- Screenshots of source text here
- "WAIT - Why am I Talking?" or "How we can all make meetings less of a slog"
- jazz hands to show agreement v commenting verbally
- Rules of Thumb for informal/formal consensus
- Vibes checker role
- Future process for feedback
- Proposal Process for Spokes Planning Meetings adapted from "Consensus"(keep close to 33 min total):
- Conceptualizing propoals (5 min, Ella)
- Intro proposal (5 min)
- Questions/Concerns (5 min)
- Friendly ammendments (10 min)
- Withdrawals (1 min)
- Voting/Blocks/Stand Asides (1 min)
- If Block occcurs > discussion > ammendments offered (10 min)
- Peter's critique of consensus minus one (5 min, Ella)
- Vote again (1 min)
- Questions/clarity on blocks v stand asides v friendly ammendments
Section notes
- how much of this do we need to decide / discuss beforehand?
- we will benefit as spokescouncil council from getting better at proposals, can bring to broaders Spokes
- we're less "defining the rules" and more becoming resources for process
- i had a conceptual shift about proposals:
- initial idea: all the working groups would submit cleaning proposals, they would be competing
- after reading: WGs bring ideas, they are synthesized into a proposal, then agreed upon in the meeting
- according to Peter G, meetings are for synthesizing proposals
- "alternative voting" --> instead of deliberating too much, you have rounds of voting / ranked-choice voting
- for cleaning proposals: each WG could propose cleaning that they can commit to as a distinct working group
- anti-goal: we don't want WGs competing with each other over proposals
- anecdote from basement: there was consensus that we wanted to make meetings decision moments more than deliberative moments
- it can be good to seek input before the meeting, synthesize proposals
- we'll be bad at proposals at first. good to make it easy to "fail safely". if we have guardrails on proposal discussion, bad proposals can be opportunities for learning instead of tanking the meeting
- was a role of admin group at 4th street to help people who brought shitty proposals
- a group that struggles to make decisions together might have non aligned values or interests. gym collective runs great because there's no inherent contention.
- this (Peter G's book) doesn't have to be the only tool in the toolbox
- WAIT (why am i talking?) how much space am i taking up? is this relevant?
- jazz hands to show agreement
- rules of thumb for formal / informal consensus:
- if decision can be made in less time than it would take for a formal process, just decide
- else, make a vote
- vibescheck role: person who's just there to read the room. if someone's being a jerk or taking up time, make a note or give them feedback.
- how to give people feedback, how to fail safely
- blocks are taken seriously, if someone's surprised that you're blocking, that's a bad smell / bad sign for the process
- if a ton of people are standing aside, that's also a bad smell
- Peter's critique of consensus minus 1
- argument for: to prevent some jerk or infiltrator from blocking everything
- argument against: promotes conflict avoidance, instead of engaging the jerk, you skirt the problem. if the person is continually a jerk, you can expel them from the group
- instead of expelling people, we could:
- adjust the groups decisionmaking solution space (is the minus 1 someone who has critical information or resources? what if we can't operate without them?)
- conclusion: we can talk more about consensus minus 1
BREAK TIME! (8 min)
Cleaning propsals
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i'd love to see folks submit proposals!
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we shouldn't solicit proposals from WGs, we can synthesize ideas in the spokescouncil meeting and produce a proposal
- this would be easy for WGs to participate in
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Andrew tried a cleaning party, no one showed up :(
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The space is overwhelming in how dirty and disorganized it is. The space could collapse, the space could be unusable. Huge liability. If someone gets hurt, we're screwed.
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alternative path of collaboration: having clearly labeled spots for cleaning. make it obvious how to clean. physical infrastructure for cleaning.
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ask working groups: what parts of woodbine do you touch on a regular basis? what can you do to help clean?
- it would be useful to gather this information beforehand and share it with folks at the Spokescouncil meeting
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what if people had an open-ended discussion with the topic "cleaning at woodbine"?
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maybe combine these - we want to practice proposal process as well. we can have open ended chat, followed by proposal discussion
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i like the idea of each group getting to share their own idea and also hearing what other groups say
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the space has limitations. you can hang a broom on any given wall, probably. but there are serious physical infrastructure problems at woodbine that many people aren't aware of. if we want to do a big physical reorg of the space, we'd need some education from folks who are the most familiar with the space
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we can lead by example by submitting and deciding proposals, in the open, in front of Spokes
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synthesis: at the meeting, a prompt (offered ahead of time), that WGs can think about beforehand about cleaning. WGs respond to prompt, then general discussion, then proposals, then time for Spokes to caucus and talk about amendments to their own proposals, then a synth proposal can be put together in real time in the meeting, or offline before the next meeting
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beforehand, we can ask for ideas from WGs. then during the spokescouncil meeting
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what if we have an open ended discussion about cleanliness?
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i love open ended convos, but i think we need structure! let's do spokes from the start
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there are physical structural issues that will impede cleaning
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how does caucusing with a WG work in a fishbowl meeting? what about the people who aren't present at the meeting?
- maybe we shouldn't make decisions at the meeting, since all relevant WG people might not be there
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i think that a closed spokescouncil meeting would be good. the whole idea is that the spokesperson is representative of the group. everyone else at the WGs will be able to see what's in the notes.
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initial reason for fishbowl was that there's not a ton of trust built up
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recap of fishbowl format
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fishbowl makes it easier for folks to learn how the process works, step forward into the Spoke and notetaker role in the future, hold Spokes accountable for whether notes diverge from what happened
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cleaning project (20 min)
- flesh out the plan for soliciting cleaning project proposals
agenda for first spokescounsil meeting (20 min)
- refine & vote on proposed first agenda
- should we have an open proposal submission process?
- is there any one person who understands the full extent of problems in the space? probably not.
- people would need a lot of information to make a reasonable proposal about fixing structural issues
- if WGs are free to bring proposals, they will learn about power structures at Woodbine. for instance "i want a pony", someone will then learn that Finance has a say in that and has blocking concerns.
- online and in-person fora where proposals can be posted async at any time
- maybe we start with cleaning proposals, then grow into other proposals
- discussions we've had with other people about the effort to build a spokescounsel
- we could let anyone submit proposals, then let WGs decide which proposals are their most favorite proposals, then proceed thru discussing priorized proposals in priority order
- dot vote on proposals in the meeting
- agree, we should keep it simple.
- could we encourage people to submit proposals, show them off at the first Spokes, then say that at the next spokes that we're going to prioritize proposals in that order
- step back: what is the point of the first meeting? consciousness raising, getting excited. practicing proposals in a technical sense. vibing with each other, social time. make people want to come to the next one!
- Assigning action items and Next meeting agenda (20 min)
- Frankie to write a proposal about prioritizing proposals
follow up on outreach
- Andrew has been doing outreach! Working with Food Fight + Bikes for Migrants. However we want to go about this, as long as we're not dicks, people will receive us warmly.
- we need to prioritize nailing down a page that explains what Spokes is
- Proposal on how to do outreach exists here
Spokescouncil Planning Meeting 12-13-2024
Results of this meeting:
We made the following decisions:
- A Spoke is:
- - a group of >5 people AND
- - the group has access to Woodbine's physical space (i.e. can unlock the door) or Woodbine's resources (e.g. website, Instagram, lease, funds) -
- What if your group is <5 people?
- - Identify a larger working group that you can caucus with. Perhaps the group that grants you access to the Woodbine space/resources
- - Still come to the Spokescouncil meeting to observe and recruit members
- - What if our group doesn't have the door code or its own access to Woodbine resources?
- - Your spoke is the one that grants you access to the space.
- - For example, if Gym people unlock the space for you, you caucus with Gym
- The proposal contains no opinion on how Spokes decide on a Spokesperson
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this is how to announce a proposal 1. hang proposal physically in the space 2. post somewhere linkable 3. send to all groups via groupchats
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we will use this template for proposals https://basement.woodbine.nyc/spokes-proposal-template
Agenda
Vibe check (5min - 7:05)
What version of you are we getting this evening?
Previous meeting action item check-in (10 - 7:15)
- Ella demarcate reproduction vs. project working groups (in Ella's summary of WGs) - group map added to Briar's "who is a spoke" proposal
- Frankie to add chat-addition protocol to Signal group description
- [someone] make the agenda for next time. topics to include: - Plan for the spokescouncil council to meet with outside groups and have a research debrief meeting
- Ella to add a link to Spokes explainer to Signal description (or Lippy and Ella to collaborate)
- everyone: make proposal(s) about the following things: *
- Ash to make a date poll for next meeting
- Frankie and LP continue research on language acessibiliy, determine spokes language needs, reach out to interpreters - https://basement.woodbine.nyc/spokes-multilingual-research#
- everyone: ask Frankie for access to the hopes and fears Mural, contribute to said Mural
Goals/Levelsetting (10)
- What do we consider a good outcome for this meeting? Do we want to have another meeting before the Spokescouncil meeting?
Proposal review and discussion, 11 proposals (75 - 8:30)
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Prioritize proposals via dot vote * How to decide who gets a Spoke * How to make proposals (meta!) * How to vote on them * How WGs should select spokespeople * Spokescouncil goals * Woodbine points of unity * How often should the spokescounil meet? Bi weekly? Monthly? * How to approach accountability via spokes (one idea: include spokes reps in notes to track which WGs are at meetings as part of accounatbility system, key holder access idea) * Cleaning project (what would the cleaning project be?) * Agenda of 1st spokes meeting + how it'll be run * Strategy for approaching WGs to get Spokes, craft the messaging * Spokescouncil Signal group proposal (how it will be used, who can be in it, norms/protcols, conflict culture, admin access) * Spokes/Fishbowl explainer with a decision making flow chart explainer and fist to five explainer (could be one explainer doc we hand out) * Who from the spokescouncilcouncil should attend the 1st spokes meeting? And how should they participate? * Research debrief meeting proposal * +1 proposal*
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Discuss prioritized proposals
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(15 mins) how to edit proposals and agree on them so we don't have to have another meeting. via chat?
New proposal ideas before 1st meeting (10)
- Proposal flyer for invitation and explainer
- invitation
- what is a spokescoucil?
- fishbowl format diagram and explainer
- Fist to five explainer
- Proposal ideas for basic write-ups to prep for agenda for 1st meeting (Ash):
- how did we get to this point historically at wb?
- what are the basic expectations/hopes of participation (6-12 months)?
- how do proposals work?
- how did we decide on which groups to invite to the spokescouncil?
- how can more groups be represented?
- who is the spokescouncil council? what have we been working on? what is our ongoing role in the spokescouncil? how can new people get involved/what are the expectations in participation?
- how do ppl add to the agenda in advance? document?
Timeline and procedure to edit proposals and get votes from ppl not present (10)
Action item roundup (10)
- (Paul) Write agenda for next time
- (LP) Set poll for next meeting time
- (LP) Combine Ella and LP's existing explainers, on LP's wiki page and BEEF IT UP
- (Frankie) evaluate which groups would be inlcuded/excluded from spoke representation using the criteria we setlled on
- (Ash) use the new proposal template for the new proposals above in the
New proposal ideas before 1st meeting (10)section - (All) Reformat existing proposals into LP's proposal template, for discussion next time
First spokescouncil meeting date (5)
New proposal ideas before 1st meeting (10)
Notes
what are we trying to get done today?
these are the necessary decisions we have to make in order to move forward:
- who are the spokes?
- how are proposals made?
- how do things get voted on?
do we want to have another meeting before the spokes meeting?
- maybe one more to allow for outreach and smoother rollout
proposal review
- we probably won't come to final decisions on these proposals today and we'll have to figure out how to do that
Proposal Group 1: who gets a spoke? (10 min)
Briar's proposal
- everyone gets a spoke
Frankie's proposal
- a spoke is a group of 5 or more people that has access to WB's space or resources.
- if a group doesn't meet these critera they can caucus with a recognized group
- these critera define what spokes will exist initially but also are applied for every meeting, such that if a group changes in a way that they no longer meet these criteria, they will not have spoke representation at the meeting.
concerns about key access
- people could consolidate power by people being able to reduce the number of people who can unlock the door
- the MOUs equate key access with recognized group existence? do we want to follow this example?
- we could possilby just limit spokescouncil membership to groups we deem in actual need to the key code
how do we change how the spokescouncil works once we start it?
- we can create a proposal just like any other
the initial groups can be decided via Frankie's criteria, but further groups would require an explicit proposal? we're starting from a place where we don't fully understand who has key access and what is going on in the space
TODO: look at which groups would be included and excluded with the current criteria
frankie's revision
- removes language related to space access and allows for groups to self-identify as being woodbine-affiliated
- we could ammend this to allow the council to vote on allowing new groups to get spokes
- pushback on this because it puts too much responsibility on the spokesconcil in allowing them to decide who is a working group
- clarification: it's not about who is a WG, it's about who gets representation in the spokescouncil. also anyone is welcome to attend as an observer (?) and they can then decide if they want to join
- concerns about malicious groups created for explicitly wb-political or obstructive purposes
- giving the council voting power for new spokes perpetuates the gatekeeping that already exists
voting on frankie's revision vs changing it to also require the council voting in new groups
- it seems we are willing to try the former- frankie's revision
Proposal Group 2: How to make a proposal
LP's proposal
- make a document for the proposal that includes:
- list groups and people it effects
- list money and resources required
- try to create variations on the proposal that anticipate likely objections
should also include who (person or group?) is creating the proposal, and the date it was submitted
having a template for this is a useful thing: https://basement.woodbine.nyc/spokes-proposal-template
blocking concern on using this template is that it should stress who will be bottom-lining the proposal (it could be everyone) because we already have a lot of problems with accountability.
a concern is that this addition will allow a group to "voluntell" someone else to do some labor.
adding a strong recommendation that any proposal that asks for labor from a particular person or group be written in consultation with them
- we will use this template for proposals https://basement.woodbine.nyc/spokes-proposal-template
Violet's proposal
how to announce a proposal 1. hang proposal physically in the space 2. post on website 3. send to all groups via groupchats
should we ammend this to include advanced notice (1 week?)? no.
[discussion about how to get it to the spokescoucil in the first place for dissemination, but we can figure that out later]
TODO: use the new proposal template for the new proposals above in the New proposal ideas before 1st meeting (10) section
using input from the chat for quorum?
should we be getting input from people who aren't here in person when we're making decisions? the decisions we've made aren't long-lasting and are easy to change so maybe we can just go with it this time and use the new system going forward.
Spokescounsil Planning Meeting 11-20-2024
2 hours
Action Items for next meeting
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Ella demarcate reproduction vs. project working groups (in Ella's summary of WGs)
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Frankie to add chat-addition protocol to Signal group description
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[someone] make the agenda for next time. topics to include:
- Plan for the spokescouncil council to meet with outside groups and have a research debrief meeting
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Ella to add a link to Spokes explainer to Signal description (or Lippy and Ella to collaborate)
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everyone: make proposal(s) about the following things:
- How to make proposals (meta!)
- How to decide who gets a Spoke
- Spokescouncil goals
- Woodbine points of unity
- How often should the spokescounil meet? Bi weekly? Monthly?
- How to approach accountability via spokes (one idea: include spokes reps in notes to track which WGs are at meetings as part of accounatbility system, key holder access idea)
- Cleaning project (what would the cleaning project be?)
- Agenda of 1st spokes meeting + how it'll be run
- Strategy for approaching WGs to get Spokes, craft the messaging
- Spokescouncil Signal group proposal (how it will be used, who can be in it, norms/protcols, conflict culture, admin access)
- Spokes/Fishbowl explainer with a decision making flow chart explainer and fist to five explainer (could be one explainer doc we hand out)
- Who from the spokescouncilcouncil should attend the 1st spokes meeting? And how should they participate?
- Research debrief meeting proposal
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Ash to make a date poll for next meeting
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Frankie and LP continue research on language acessibiliy, determine spokes language needs, reach out to interpreters
- https://basement.woodbine.nyc/spokes-multilingual-research#
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everyone: ask Frankie for access to the hopes and fears Mural, contribute to said Mural
Summary
- Brainstormed about Spokescouncil goals. Some recurring themes:
- reproducing the space
- drawing Woodbine-related people into community + collaboration (working group members, neighbors, speakers of various languages)
- clarifying who can make decisions about what, and how
- finances
- appropriate use of the space
- programming
- Discussed who will constitute the spokescouncil / who gets a Spoke. Ideas coalesced around:
- Ongoing work to identify all working groups in this spreadsheet
- It may be useful to distinguish between different kinds of groups
- groups / Spokes whose goal is solely reproducing the space, Spokes that work in the space
- Young Lords' "ongoing projects" (long term) vs. "taskforces" (short term)
- All entities who use the space will likely care about decisions made about the space. They may or may not want to participate in making those decisions, but it would be useful to keep them informed.
- Spokescouncil may itself decide who's a Spoke.
- Decided on a chat protocol, which is as follows (can also be found in Signal chat description):
- To add someone to the chat:
- establish that they are involved with woodbine AND
- they care about the future of woodbine AND
- they are interested in a spokescouncil existing OR
- indicate another clear reason why they make sense to be added to the chat
- indicate in the chat that you want to add the person
- wait to get a cosign/vet from another member of the chat (can be an emoji thumb up)
- add the person to the chat
- establish that they are involved with woodbine AND
- To add someone to the chat:
- Discussed how the Spokescouncil can make decisions together.
- Proposed mechanisms:
- Yes, Block, Stand aside model
- “consensus when possible, consent when not” (BAM)
- Fist to Five
- Consensus minus 2
- Acknowledged that the Spokescoucil itself can decide how it operates. (But it's useful to bring a scaffold as a starting point)
- Next steps: bring proposals about decisionmaking to the next Meeting
- Proposed mechanisms:
- Discussed what the 1st Spokescouncil meeting might look like. Some possibilities include:
- Introduce a cleaning/space maintenance proposal
- Inform groups about how Woodbine works today
- Explain Spokes
- Disseminate information about maintenance tasks (like when to take out trash)
- Next steps: bring proposals about 1st Spokescouncil agenda to next meeting
- Summarized prerequisites for 1st Spokescouncil meeting, including:
- Deciding who, when, why and how for the 1st meeting
- attendees, scheduling, goals, logistics/agenda
- Inviting all relevant stakeholders to participate
- Next steps: bring various proposals (ennumerated in action items) to resolve these prerequisites
- Deciding who, when, why and how for the 1st meeting
Action item check ins from last meeting (10 min)
- Language accessibility infrastructure
- LP reportback
- RTU has simultaneous translation resources we can borrow.
- Link map of all working groups
- link to the resource TODO
- Fears and hopes mural and access, keep it general
- The mural exists here
- You can request access from Frankie (Frank on Signal) individually
- The mural exists here
What are our goals as a spokescouncil? doc to make sure we keep an eye on our goals? (20 min)
- (ash) reproduce the space more consistently, effectively and horizontally (cleaning, fundraising)
- (ash) increase individuals accountability to reproduce the space and grow involvement
- (ash) create a healthy conflict culture
- (ash) build capacity for resistance and develop strong community by making this a creative and experimental space to make decisions collectively
- (ash) develop programming that increases our capacity to fight repression and support individuals who are the most vulnerable (pantry, solidarity fundraising)
- (ash) offer space for people to organize resistance (digital security teach ins, banner making)
- expand who feels welcome in the space (language support, engage with whiteness of the space, patriarchy in the space etc)
- develop Woodbine's points of unity and values
- would be nice for woodbine's position to be clearer + well-defined. when people participate, they should know what framework or scope the space is operating in
- there was a points of unity experiment in Ops. but there are more people involved in a spokescouncil. there will be representation issues if we can't get key/highly active people in the room.
- build assembly culture and autonomy in Ridgewood
- we need to consider our relationship with our neighbors. we might not get them to like us, but we can do better at communicating with them
- Alt approach: work from existing problems, brainstorm structures to address.
- Unclear on appropriate use of space
- Can people wait for pantry indoors?
- Who decides what / clarity
- Stop "shadow decisions", ideally. What happened at the Working Group Assembly? Why'd we propose Spokes to begin with?
- Goal: show that we can do the thing, let the Spokes take on more responsibility as it demonstrates its capable
- finance should probably be a spoke (or something?). the finances are really frustrating. took dinner 3 weeks to figure out how to get $100 from finance. this was wrapped up with reproducing the space as a topic.
- we had to make a serious case about those $100
- people ask about how to put together an event, sent along the google form, "no one got back to them". who has access to that form? who checks it?
- Unclear on appropriate use of space
- what if there was clearer process for how to request funding for each group? a form that requests details around funding, how it'll be used, who will get access to the things bought? people who decide aren't there very often, involves people who do work at woodbine having to regurgitate things that are more obvious to the working groups themselves.
- what gives people decisionmaking power? how does that operate today? how could that operate in the future?
- right now, Spokes don't have complete latitude. but latitude could change over time. if we can make a Spokescouncil functional, we can start making decisions. there's a lot we can probably do with the latitude we already have.
- we could probably diagram what a good finance system would look like (in the abstract). getting into the specifics can be a decisionmaking trap (sometimes). but people closer to specific work areas can likely make useful concrete decisions. now, finance meetings happen monthly. they are open to anyone. i'd like to see clearer expense reporting.
- if it's just us (the people in this room), people won't like that, it probably won't work well. we want to make sure we have good working group representation at the spokescouncil. + reach out to
stakeholders - can we make the spokescouncil fun? we'll need to get people in the room.
- potential goal: make the structure of the space legible. often: "i want to do something. how can i make that possible?"
- structurelessness can reproduce latent oppressive structures outside of woodbine. making the space legible can combat that
- programming vetting. do we do that collectively today? not really. but there could be a committee that comes out of this that decides what programming gets put on.
- Process and communication transparency and privacy in general
- does woodbine have a fiscal sponsor?
- yes.
- a fiscal sponsor (e.g. OpenCollective) can oversee whether expenses are aligned with expenses
- there's an alternative to opencollective called Raft
Who is the spokescouncil? (20 min)
- What are the working groups we are inviting to be part spokes?
- Discuss differences in scope and involvement in reproducing the space: finance v yoga v basement v food fight as examples.
- finance -> crossfunctional, critical for the space existing
- yoga --> uses the space, people come and go. less extensive use of the space
- basement --> tons of simultaneous projects, not super cohesive, one working group probably
- food fight --> cook in the space, do distro outside of the space.
- who's in?
- basement has a different financial relationship than other working groups?
- seems like the basement is its own decisionmaking body (? maybe?). for working groups like yoga, writing group, is there a preexisting decisionmaking model in those groups?
- (fgj) stewards model
- thought experiment
- if we don't have specific people who are responsible for reproducing space
- if you are a spoke, you're accountable as a group to be a steward in relation to the individuals you bring into the space
- thought experiment
- it's reasonable for everyone to have a hand in reproducing the space. we'd need a document or standard to help groups with less involvement understand what is expected, to address their potential frustration with being asked to do stuff for the space
- basement is kind of incoherent. meets somewhat regularly, but struggles with other issues. seems like incoherence comes from the preexisting issues with woodbine. seems like pantry and kitchen are the most coherent groups.
- i worry about "hey you're invited to Spokes" "now this is something you have to do". people might like to get a monthly concise thing that explains what decisions have been made. trying to make it as friendly and concise as possible. people can have a relationship to the space at the degree that they want it.
- stewardship model should be the end goal. seems like the goal of woodbine. self governance can become really expansive, but starts with the space itself. yoga could get themselves together, basement can cohere. that can be what we aspire to. each group with the opportunity of a voice, and a hand in reproducing the space.
- we don't want to make it feel like another chore. some folks just come through for the reading group. forcing people to do it seems like a bad idea. accessible and transparent. you don't have to come, but decisions will be made. encourage people to come.
- who is not a spoke? who is not allowed?
- random people who are curious? are they a spoke?
- transparency may cover this. if we have transparent notes about meetings and stuff, if you're interested, refer to these resources, and that will get you involved
- no one has to come, but they're using the space and not cleaning? what do we do?
- we'd need some conflict resolution around this. if you can't put in extra labor, maybe we'll ask for a financial contribution
- lockbox code as "key" for responsibility, use to establish relationship between access and acountability, may prompt subdivision
- BAM states that they are modeled on Young Lords and Rainbow coalition organizing. this is aspirational more than functional, but prompted some thought. Young Lords made a distinction between "ongoing projects" and "taskforces". Something like a strike or a direct action would be a "taskforce". Versus ongoing reproduction tasks were "ongoing projects".
- it'd be nice to dig in at greater length on "what is a spoke? and how to spokes map to projects"
- yoga would be interested in what's going on here. we should loop them in here.
- the spokescouncil can decide itself what Spokes are. we don't have to pre-decide it now.
- there are MOUs (memorandum of understanding) circulating.
What is the chat for? chat protcol and conflict culture (15 min)
- what is the chat for?
- who is in it?
- what do we do when things get heated? Take it offline!
- what sort of things do we discuss over chat v irl?
- Big issue v small issue model
- small decisions can happen in the chat, big ones shouldn't?
- someone can flag something as a "big decision" to move the conversation to in person
- Adopt an emoji reply for this? (~LP)
- Big issue v small issue model
- is it cool to add someone to the chat without asking the current attendees in the chat?
- a lot of groups could benefit from a parallel chat structure where there's an "announce" chat and a general (noisier) chat
- collective decisionmaking, we hadn't talked about how to decide who gets added to the chat. "working groups" get bogged down with people who lurk and don't show up to meetings. i wanted to avoid that. the person who joined didn't seem invested in Woodbine.
- want the chat to be a safe space to make decisions without people derailing. it's not easy to do what we're doing -- there's a big task on our hands.
- it makes sense to talk about who's in the chat. locations has 200 people in it but no one's saying anything.
- the chat should include people that care about the future of Woodbine / are invested in Woodbine?
- it'd be helpful to have people in the future talk to us who are experts organizing in other spaces
Proposal: To add someone to the chat:
- establish that they are involved with woodbine AND
- they care about the future of woodbine AND
- they are interested in a spokescouncil existing
- OR indicate another clear reason why they make sense to be added to the chat
- THEN indicate in the chat that you want to add the person
- THEN wait to get a cosign/vet from another member of the chat (can be an emoji thumb up)
- THEN add the person to the chat
How do we make decisions together? consensus protocol and culture. This can be a work in progress but we need something to begin with (10 min)
- Delegates introduce clear proposals
- Yes, Block, Stand aside model (resource)
- Avoid total consensus model as a blocker to anything getting done
- Direct and supportive conflict culture
- "consensus when possible, consent when not" -- BAM uses this
- (in one model) Spokes itself isn't a decisionmaking body. they're communicating with their groups.
- a proposal is brought to the spokes
- spokes bring to working group
- each working group discusses a proposal, comes to a decision
- spoke comes back to the group, indicates the stance of their group
- what happens if there's not consensus across the spokes?
- it depends. it can be a slow process. for the biggest decisions, this would likely be important. for smaller proposals, we maybe don't need to always go back to the spokes
- is there a way to decide at the beginning whether consensus is needed for the proposal or not?
- levels of influence within each working group? does every spoke get the same level of influence? finance? yoga?
- mechanics of decisionmaking miss the part of defining who the group is. in a food coop, if you pay, you're a member. it's less clear with woodbine who's a stakeholder/who has a say.
- if subgroups are making the decisions, this mitigates issues somewhat. a transient member of a subgroup has less influence
- if we're presenting a proposal at the spokescouncil, then bringing them back to the spokes, that's good for slow decisions. we might need another approach for fast decisions.
- maybe spokes can do both? immediate decision: spokescouncil makes a decision. slower decision, slow process where spokes go back to the subgroups.
- there's more to it than the model. there's the culture of deliberation. proposals can be hard if they're not well-written. need a process for getting the proposal out there (e.g. posting it on a pegboard in advance of a meeting).
- big vs. small decisions -- will we get there? at first, spokes will likely make small decisions. if we come up with a model that is ok with making small decisions, that's ok for now. would be good to get small wins happening quickly. small decisions are good.
- agree, we're not close to making big decisions
- having a starting point decision making model would be a good place to start
Proposal: proposals are presented at the spokescouncil meeting. spokes bring the proposal to working groups, working groups discuss and decide, then spokes come to council, fist to five on the proposal (based on their WG opinion). We do consensus minus 2 (if everyone but 2 spokes agrees, the proposal goes through)
What can be a first project for us to tackle as spokes? cleaning project example (Ella) (10 min)
- collective cleaning procedures (this has been a long Woodbine discussion, nothing comes of it)
- cleaning proposal could open the door to other conversations (like who can be in the space and how?)
- (fgj) 1st spokes meeting "gather" vs. "decide" -- can we ID a concrete and attainable outcome that can come from 1st meeting?
- deciding things as as group is hard. can we instead engage spokes to go back go groups and gather information rather than come back with a decision?
- can groups come back with a summary/decision of what their existing cleaning protocols are?
- announce / inform what trash days are, ask if it's ok to take out trash?
- 1st meeting = onboarding to spokes
- bringing people from pantry inside? is that a first discussion topic?
- potentially heavy for a first project
- different groups have a different stake in it
- can get political quickly
- who will be at the spokescouncil meeting?
- what if people try to derail / don't participate in good faith?
- fishbowl -- spokes speak, but anyone can be present. if you don't trust your spoke, you can see the whole meeting go down
- indicate visually who the spoke is
- ops is a working group?
- how do we communicate preemptively?
- people will have questions about how woodbine runs today. can we help inform people who come to spokes? overview of decisionmaking, finance.
- re: cleaning: accessible and set up cleaning supplies would be a huge win. but where'd i'd want to put that vaccuum is where the chairs are stored.
- the point of the 1st spokes meeting should be to talk about how spokes should work, field questions and grievances from everybody
- worried about people coming away from the first Spokes meeting being like "what was the point of that meeting?"
- we could do "theory and practice" -- here's a summary, and here's the things we think we should decide first
Ella’s Explainer overview (5 min)
Plan for the spokescouncil council to meet with outside groups and have a research debrief meeting (this feels like a separate meeting than can happen alongside actual spokescouncil meetings or be part of a spokescouncil meeting) (5 min)
When is our first real spokescouncil meeting going to happen? Do we feel ready? (5 min)
- (fgj) Identify spokes' language access needs + plan to have them met
- figure out who from the spokescouncilcouncil will be there
- strategy for approaching working groups and bringing them in
- people should come to it with an idea of what's going on
- presenting everything at the meeting is TMI
- way to decide who are Spokes / who gets a Spoke
- have strategies for managing who'll be there and what they say
- communicate with working groups beforehand?
- facilitator?
- proposals for what the first meeting will look like
- an explainer of how things work and how we came to Spokes. history of woodbine + how it's worked
- proposal: a Signal chat for the overarching spokes
- cleaning project proposal
Spokescouncil Planning Meeting 10-28-2024
present
- briar, she/her
- theodora, she/her
- violet, she/her
- ella, anything
- LP, he/him
- andrew, he/him
- paul, anything
- frankie, they/them
- ash, they/she
spokecouncil def
- spokecouncils are made up of representatives from each group
- maybe 2 reps, one to speak the other to take notes
- spokes are rotated in, either randomly or by voting
- fishbowl: like spokecouncils, only everyone is present and sits behind their spoke
- LP: should have documentation on how spokecouncils work and telemeeting hardware present to improve access
- frankie: woodbine is monolingual and we should be mindful about the decision making process being bilingual
- ella: childcare could also improve access
- ash: what should the spokes be?
- mycology
- soccor
- research group
- screening
- locations
- finance
- communications
- andrew: we can nest the spokes inside eachother, such as rats in maintenance; people should understand that if they don't participate, they won't have a say
- ella: spokes could help disorganized groups to become more organized, such as yoga
- frankie: what are the consequences of defining the spokes poorly?
- theodora: not enough groups showing up would be worse
- ella: how large do we want a meeting to be? too large could get unmanagable
- andrew: in the beginning we shouldn't assume the authority to deciding who can/can't be a spoke, though it would be reasonable to suggest merging with another spoke
- Briar: consensus model? Unanimous consent can be difficult in larger council
history/why are we doing this right now?
- LP: notes show there have been other times where people seemed to want organizational change. To create structures that are less closed, and more defined by roles than by people.
- ash: more participation at woodbine, seems like right time to start pushing for it. when there are only a couple of people responsible for decision making, they become a bottleneck and things get messed up.
- LP: was depressed because he was seeing conflict and harm happening to people and concerns about this were getting ignored
- ella: feel like maybe many people in ops feel weird about their own participation
spain and other models
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ella: visited a couple of squats in spain over the summer. one was a squatted nunary. they have a seperate committee that handles most the day-to-day decision making, and then twice a year they have a large assembly to make decisions together. another hold biweekly assemblies to coordinate multiple squatted bank-owned buildings. they run eviction defense and a pantry. offer transition services and child support. each collective has their own room.
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LP: different decision making processes: full consensus, u-1, u-2. heavy proposal basis, proposals were crafted beforehand with multiple flavors to
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Briar: involved in omni commons and rhyzome collective
- Omni: Makerspace, Food not Bombs, video collective, others + ballroom space
- Discrete organizations with discrete spaces, less based on activities as woodbine is.
- Spokes consisted of group reps + fixed members such as locations, finance, permanent reps to address issue of racial reprsentation.
- Fully consensus, spokes rotated frequently
Reach out to Noisebridge/Mitch Altman
- ash: wants to know how mayday are run
general discussion
- LP: people may not have the capacity to participate in their projects as well as the spokescouncil
- frankie: sometimes the space isn't in great shape, people will need to step up
action items
- write out fears and hopes
- reach out to people in other spokecouncils
- identify list of other groups in nyc
- link map of all working groups
- put together a timeline
- have another meeting first
- language access infrastructure
- proposals we need:
- how are decisions made
- what is a spoke
- an initial proposal to try to make together
- collaborative space for fears/hopes
- date poll (ash)
Spokescouncil Planning Meeting 09-29-2024
Brief Intros (name, pronouns, working group) (Attendance redacted as this is a publicly viewable doc without discussed norms around privacy)
Why are we here today?
- Working group assembly: what is this? Why are we having one?
- Working group assembly is to get everyone in a working group together to give updates, meet irl, discuss ideas together
- Introduce agenda outline and roles
Operations update/Woodbine overall updates:
- Keeping space clean
- Intro Locations chat and committee
- Now: locations consists of ppl who are often at the space. Share alerts for issues at space (flooding, electricity…) and updates on addressing them
- Next steps:
- Designating actual roles for maintaining the space - potentially with someone designated to track who is doing each role and whether tasks are completed
- Coordinating trash bags, paper towels, toilet paper etc. between Food Fight (access to Restaurant Depot) and Food Pantry (can be reimbursed through the city)
- Collect receipts and expenses for necessary items - average how much our expenses are every month
- Rat update – “we’re on the winning side” of the Vermin War
- Electrics update - Electrical repairs are completed, but we now need to map out which circuits map to which breakers.
- Emphasize the importance, we each have a share in keeping the space clean and well functioning as much as we have a share in enjoying what the space provides for our organizing and community. Who does the dishes in the rev? We do.
- Intro Locations chat and committee
Finance
- Lease
- Funding sources
- Deficit - We operate at a deficit: Spring 2024 Finances - Monthly Deficit: -$1107
- Emphasize this deficit when/where we can - call on people in different working groups to support - many people who come thru Woodbine are surely unaware of the deficit, or of the other monetary realties of Woodbine
- Donation jar exists, doesn’t seem to be used much
- Big sign: (fundraiser thermometer) that details the deficit, the monthly expenses, how to contribute (monetarily or in other methods)
- Emphasize this deficit when/where we can - call on people in different working groups to support - many people who come thru Woodbine are surely unaware of the deficit, or of the other monetary realties of Woodbine
Fundraising: events, co-working
We also all have a share in helping keep the space open by creatively finding ways to raise funds, spread the word to friends and family to donate, etc. Enlist new fundraising committee for fall subscriber campaign and related events Bake Sale - coming up soon. Very successful fund-raising effort every year. Could we sell merch or table there? Holiday Market - Dec. 15 at Banatul Folklore Club. Opportunity to raise money for the space, and to create connections with other orgs and individuals in the neighborhood. CSA Tabling - at least 200 ppl come thru every week (or every other week in Winter) to pick up CSA. Natalie estimates 20% are WB regulars, vast majority are not. Great opportunity to table about particular projects from 10 to noon with population of Ridgewood that is not generally involved with Woodbine Social activity / creative discussion idea: What brings us to woodbine specifically? We could be doing what we do in other spaces. Why do we do them at woodbine? What does woodbine offer that other spaces don't have? What is special about working on projects at woodbine? Experimenting with autonomy, non-capitalist organization in a capitalist environment Making use of non-Capitalist resources - gym, yoga, kitchen,... Transcending insularity of Woodbine’s origins A ‘filter’ for acquaintances – meeting strangers who share enough of an affinity to potentially become closer friends/comrades in arms Introduce the Spokescouncil model structure, function, delegates etc. Spoke represents interests of the group, agenda is shared in advance, spoke/delegate relays information usually (doesn't make decisions for the group unless already given that green light by the group), talk about specific issues that affect working groups, discuss solutions, attempt to gain consensus although perfect consensus may not be achieved, can experiment with consent/stand aside/block method. Multiple meetings like this may need to happen for a big issue to come to an acceptable decision fishbowl format v spokes only model Fishbowl format definition: everyone is invited to attend meetings, but only the working group representative(s) speak in the meetings Reasons voiced in favor of fishbowl format: makes process transparent, enables wider participation tho without pressure for everyone to participate, limiting speaking to representatives adds guardrails to meeting time and need for organization, open meetings allow successive representatives to be trained up for the role Reasons voiced against fishbowl: having an open meeting where only certain people are allowed to speak could be “weird” Town hall v spokescouncil v working group assembly “fast-cheap-good: pick 2” in regards to meeting size large assemblies for generating and sharing ideas, but small groups of involved committed energetic people more efficient for addresssing needs How could a spokescouncil work at woodbine? Could be a way for working groups to voice their concerns more effectively to one another, share resources, get help, build stronger inter-group relationships, foster a deeper connection as a community What would count as a spoke? only groups that organize within themselves (like gym)? uses of the space that are consumed or not ‘organized’ in the same way (like yoga, meditation, screenings)? Everything that goes on in the space? Only the most committed users of the space? What are some examples of spokes councils you have been part of? What was good about it? What difficulties did it bring? What is the function of a spokescouncil at woodbine? What do people think a spokescouncil can do for woodbine? What are the concerns people have about being part of a spokescouncil? Are they confused by the model? What questions do they have? What would it take from each of us as individuals to have a healthy, functioning spokescouncil? General vibe check: most people at this meeting are in favor of moving ahead with a spokes council - others are uncertain. What next? Convene small group to plan and organize spokes council Action items: Spokescounil planning chat - Ash is bottomlining, people volunteered to join and will add more folks who couldn't be at the assembly 4
Physical welcome board + calendar - ella, LP already on this, added more folks to the planning chat Calendar of events Deficit / thermometer How the space functions/what we are about/what we do How to get involved and pitch into the reproduction of the physical space Many languages Make kids craft a monthly event - need someone to consistently bottomline for this to happen, Lindsay was interested but didn’t say they would bottomline translations of physical flyers into spanish, polish, arabic, etc. and handing them out Way to get more long standing neighborhood community in the space Woodbine pamphlet - Violet wanted to bottomline this How the space functions/what we are about/what we do How to get involved and pitch into the reproduction of the physical space Many languages Electrical mapping project part 2: - Violet, need more electrical minded folks to help Fundraiser committee - Matt, need more folks to join this chat Working group fundraising - LP made this suggestion, need folks to brainstorm how this could work Can insert fundraising into more working group projects , internalize how they upkeep the space Recurring space supplies order/pickup process: - Maria is already working on this, finance meeting happened to discuss further Grant writers - Alex will share with the writers group to find people Space care task list document and “task tzar” (remind people to do their space cleaning /care tasks) - ella can be tzar but can’t be doing the chores always, Theodora can make the spreadsheet, can consult Aven for how they do it at the gym Programming to bring in more people who are long standing locals and don’t find easily accessible - we all should be thinking about this Kids crafts Local market event similar to what Trans pecos did to bring in folks who are street vendors and other locals, and do other things in the immediate area. Need people who speak spanish to facilitate Collab on an event with the Coptic Church Asylum seeker programming: Quiet hang out hours for asylum seeker guys during days when nothing is happening at the space or use those times to have craft days or movies in french etc. Generally inviting asylum seeker guys to movies, backgammon, dinners etc. if that feels right for them and they can decide if they want to be there or not Free store part 2? Deficit blurb to add to emails, working group chats, instagram - aven is writing one for the gym, can maybe use broadly CSA tabling - opportunity for working groups to fundraise for their expenses, woodbine overhead, and other fundraising - Natalie and Ash are discussing Working Group zines - caterina’s suggestion, we need more people working on this 9/29/24 Agenda for Working Group Assembly, 1-3 pm - 2 hrs Roles: Note taker Timer Stack taker Agenda Wrangler snacks Silly warm up game (toss ball around the room or other ideas) (5 min) Brief Intros (name, pronouns, working group) (5 min) Why are we here today? (5 min) Working group assembly: what is this? Why are we having one? Working group assembly is to get everyone in a working group together to give updates, meet irl, discuss ideas together Introduce agenda outline and roles Operations update/Woodbine overall updates: (20 min) Keeping space clean (10 min) Intro Locations chat and committee Needs: compost, garbage Rat update Electrics update Emphasize the importance, we each have a share in keeping the space clean and well functioning as much as we have a share in enjoying what the space provides for our organizing and community. Who does the dishes in the rev? We do. Ask for people to imagine future projects (i.e electrical mapping) and report them back to someone in locations (ask locations people to raise hands) > this is something we can devote more group brainstorm time to in an actual spokescouncil meeting Finance (5 min) Lease Founding sources Deficit - We operate at a deficit:Spring 2024 Finances - Monthly Deficit: -$1107 Fundraising: events, co-working (5 min)
We also all have a share in helping keep the space open by creatively finding ways to raise funds, spread the word to friends and family to donate, etc. Enlist new fundraising committee for fall subscriber campaign and related events Social activity / creative discussion idea: (10 min) Breakout into small groups: What brings us to woodbine specifically? We could be doing what we do in other spaces. Why do we do them at woodbine? What does woodbine offer that other spaces don't have? What is special about working on projects at woodbine? Report back (5 min) Brief working group updates (2 min each- one person per working group - 30 min total) Working groups: csa, pantry, ff, garden, dinners, research group, screenings, reading group, basement, mushrooms, kids tutoring, gym, library, film, calendar/blurbs, more? Brief Updates Do you need help with a project? How can people plug in to what you are doing? Short break (5 min) Introduce the Spokescouncil model: (1 hour, 15 min) structure, function, delegates etc. (5 min) Spoke represents interests of the group, agenda is shared in advance, spoke/delegate relays information usually (doesn't make decisions for the group unless already given that green light by the group), talk about specific issues that affect working groups, discuss solutions, attempt to gain consensus although perfect consensus may not be achieved, can experiment with consent/stand aside/block method. Multiple meetings like this may need to happen for a big issue to come to an acceptable decision real life examples? fishbowl format v spokes only model Town hall v spokescouncil v working group assembly How could a spokescouncil work at woodbine? Could be a way for working groups to voice their concerns more effectively to one another, share resources, get help, build stronger inter-group relationships, foster a deeper connection as a community Talk about the spokescouncil model in breakout groups of about 5-8 people or so. (20 min) Someone takes notes on the responses. Prepare flyers or big sheet of paper to list these questions. Give groups a big paper and markers to write on. What are some examples of spokes councils you have been part of? What was good about it? What difficulties did it bring? What is the function of a spokescouncil at woodbine? What do people think a spokescouncil can do for woodbine? What are the concerns people have about being part of a spokescouncil? Are they confused by the model? What questions do they have? What would it take from each of us as individuals to have a healthy, functioning spokescouncil? Groups Reportback (30 min, divide time depending on group size but could be like 6 groups, 5 min each) Do people report back by group? Or does someone write the groups thoughts, crumpled up in the middle of the room and someone reads them out loud? Freely Discuss the spokescouncil as a big group - take stack (20 min) Report back: Someone reads back the notes from breakout groups or each breakout group reports back. Big group open discussion What do we do with this spokescouncil discussion? Come back with a proposal? Ask people to prepare for the first one? Empty buffer time (10 min) Invite people to ginnys for a post meeting drink?
2025-09-11 Spokescouncil Meeting
Spokescouncil Meeting - Date: 09-11-2025
Agenda
- Role call (5 min)
- Role assignments (5 min)
- facilitator - Katelyn, Caroline cc'd
- meeting notes -
- stack/ timer - Iris <3
- Spokescouncil process
- quick review from SP WG (e.g. how voting works, etc) (5 mins)
- Q&A/ Feedback (OPEN TO ALL IN ATTENDANCE 10 mins; strict stack :) )
- Admin committee updates - Report on what was done this month, challenges faced, upcoming plans/needs, and any requests for support or approval. (25 mins; 5 min each)
- Legal/ Liability [Vanessa/ Johnny] - fiscal sponsor, bank acct, etc
- Finance (e.g. donations received (total and by source), expenses (total and by category), surplus/ deficit, any upcoming big expenses)
- Fundrasing
- Facilities
- Tech and comms
- Programming and rentals
BREAK
- Proposal voting (TBD based on number of proposals)
- Bathroom cleaning rotation
- RC announcement chat
- RC coordination chat
- Non-corkboarded proposals (to discuss if quorum)
- RC community calendar
- Sunday trash
- Rags in the sink
- Working group announcements (10 min)
- Open discussion/ feedback/ Q&A (OPEN TO ALL IN ATTENDANCE; ideally 10 min)
- Action item review (5 min)
- Closing remarks/ hugs (1 min)
Meeting Minutes here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uRCwmsMLSKQvtCgotdWQ33KrEA1J3_29CijDcZx7klA/edit?usp=sharing
Attendance & Roles
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Facilitator: Katelyn
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Stack: Iris
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Notes: Caroline
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Missing: Kids Tutoring and Reading Group
Legal & Liability
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Drafting an MOU requiring all people with space access (keycode holders, rentals) to sign a document protecting leaseholders.
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Gym waiver system already in place; non-signers are in violation.
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Daily visitors don’t sign, but standards of safety are emphasized.
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Concern raised about basement hazards (tripping).
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A fire plan is needed.
Finance
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✅ Bank account opened (thanks to Jonny & Vanessa).
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No 5% fee (Monk Works).
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Active income: Patreon & WithFriends.
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October rent due; basement & gym rent contributions unresolved.
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CSA sales early November (~$2,600).
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Working towards transparent, regularly updated financial documents.
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Old Woodbine MOU assumed quick fiscal sponsor.
Facilities
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QR codes in the space for reporting needs.
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Stocking menstrual products, soaps, etc.
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Trash system working well.
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Open question: how to track monetary donations vs. donated time.
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Goal: improve communication flow.
Tech & Communications
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Using WithFriends, Patreon, RiseUp email list.
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Backend form access established.
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Exploring web hosting solidarity partner (~$65/year).
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Questions remain: wiki page public? branding strategy?
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Calendar updates include adding writing group.
Fundraising
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Led by Vanessa, Shelby, Sarah.
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Ongoing: WithFriends ($200/month).
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Planned: Raffle at Maker’s Market, Opening Party on 20th, bake sale ideas, grants in progress.
Programming & Rentals
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New forms for programming, film screenings, rentals created.
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Unclear if event costs should appear on forms.
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Currently 3–4 events/month (Woodbine carryovers).
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Accessibility of programming calendar needs review.
Proposals Passed
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Bathroom cleaning system w/ signage.
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Repurposed Admin Chat.
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Calendar on the wall (writers group).
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Trash bottom-lining by dinner crew.
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“No rags in sink” signage.
Other Discussions
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Possible General Assembly / Community Forum.
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Proposal submissions: 2 weeks before meetings.
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Weekly meetings suggested.
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Admin committee sign to be put on the wall.
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Writing group meeting next week.
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New Tuesday basement hack nights.
✅ Action Items
Legal & Liability
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Basement + Gym: review waivers (including Hack Manhattan examples).
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Check if old Woodbine MOU waivers exist.
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Vanessa: legal check-in on basement liability (tripping hazards).
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Develop fire plan.
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Collect and organize waivers by January.
Finance
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Ensure October rent is paid.
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Finance group: meet with Basement & Gym to clarify contributions.
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Begin publishing transparent financial docs.
Facilities
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Decide on a process for tracking money donations (not just time).
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Keep QR code system active and updated.
Tech & Communications
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Brainstorm alternatives beyond Signal (e.g., Matrix).
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Decide if wiki should be public.
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Set up public relations team (copy & design).
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Form Emergency Branding Task Force.
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Add Writing Group to shared calendar.
Fundraising
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Collect & park fundraising ideas in one place.
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Prepare for raffle at Maker’s Market.
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Plan Opening Party on the 20th.
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Support Sarah with grant applications.
Programming & Rentals
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Finalize programming, film, and rental forms.
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Decide if costs should be shown on forms.
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Improve accessibility of programming calendar.
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Make flyers about hosting events.
General
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Recruit people who like numbers to join finance.
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Recruit people with grant experience.
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Recruit new members for working groups.
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Update wiki when friendly amendments are added to proposals.
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Put up admin committee sign in the space.
2025-08-09 Spokesocuncil Meeting
Spokescouncil Meeting - Date: 08-09-2025, 3-5 pm
Agenda
start time 3:15
- Working Group and Admin Committee check-ins /role call (5 min)
- reminder that only the speaking delegate can speak and voice FAs and blocking concerns, note taker delegate will take notes on whatever is relevant to their group and anything else they want to note down
- role assignments (5 min)
- facilitator - Ash
- meeting notes - TBD (will have to log all FA's and roll)
- stack/ timer - Shelby
- Briar introduces Deadnamejar! + role to hand it around (5 min)
- Two Wheel Model (brief explanation w/ projection of image) (5 min)
- Raise your hand if you were involved in any of the 585 emergency meetings ? Thank you!
- What is the difference b/w a WG and an Admin Committee? WG's focus on a particular project - For Admin Committees, Ridgewood Commons is their project. The working groups are unified by the spokescouncil.
- The admin collective is empowered by the spokescouncil to make day to day decisions to keep the space running. There are many ways in which power is balanced and kept primarily in the hands of the spokescouncil:
- 1. The spokescouncil ratifies committee charters and will need to be re-ratified if major changes are made
- 2. The spokescouncil has the ability to revoke the committee point person if they aren't fulfilling their obligations
- 3. Admin Committees are made up of Working Group members. No committee member should be only participating in a committee, they should be involved in at least one WG regularly. We are trying to avoid having an "administrative class" in the space
- 4. Admin committees will make regular announcements at Spokescouncil meetings and share what decisions were made and what is upcoming
- A note on committee point people and members: Point people are committed long term to that role and are ultimately responsible to the fulfillment of the tasks. No point person can be point person for more than one committee! But a point person for one committee can be a support member in another. Committee members support the point person with tasks and are encouraged to float around committees if they want to learn different skills and take on different roles.
- Important note! This model is currently our best attempt to create a collective space and we will have a meeting in 6 months to check in and see how things are going
- Spokescouncil Planning Group open to discuss after! ask people to raise hands, find us after the meeting to chat including how to get involved in the working group
- How voting works (specific to today only b/c of how many charters we have) (10 min)
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1) Streamlined Charter Review
We’ve got a lot of charters to review (16 total) which means we can’t do our usual deep-dive for each one.
So here’s the plan: we’ll quickly run through all the charters at the start of the meeting and ask if any delegates have blocking concerns or important friendly amendments.
If there are *no* concerns? That charter gets a thumbs-up and moves on.
If there *are* concerns? We’ll pause and talk about just those.
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2) How friendly amendments work
Think of friendly amendments as helpful suggestions, not binding changes. Since delegates can’t accept or reject FA's on the spot, the group will decide how to integrate FA's *after* this meeting.
Working groups and committees will have the next month to review any friendly amendments and decide what to do with them. By the next spokescouncil meeting, the Spokescouncil Planning Group will check in to collect updated versions of the charters and see which suggestions were accepted or turned down (with a quick explanation if anything was rejected).
We’ll share the updated charter with everyone afterward. And if there’s still an issue (like a rejected amendment that folks feel strongly about) it can be brought back as a full proposal later on.
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- BREAK (10 min)
- Charter time! 16 charters (up to 40 min)
- Committees:
- Comms and Tech
- Finance
- Fundraising and Grants
- Rentals
- Facilities
- Relational skills (withdrawn)
- WGs
- Food pantry
- gym
- Readgewood tutoring
- spokescouncil planning
- dinner
- technical collective
- tues reading group
- writing group
- yoga and meditation
- Committees:
- Closing announcements/ remarks (5 min)
- Call for proposals for next meeting, cleaning proposal
- Offer to train people to do roles for next meeting, role volunteers
- Last but not least, thank you to everyone who put blood sweat and tears into developing the spokescouncil mode and working on the transition of the space! we should be proud of ourselves! this is a new era of collectivity and i can't wait to see how it evolves. This afterparty is for you!
- Afterparty and potluck announcement: roles for cleanup, dishes, chairs, closing the space (5 min)
- Send speaking delegates to Paul to be added to the delegates chat
Announcements
Upcoming Events
- ⚡Tuesday August 12 : Electrician will be making repairs at RC
- ❌Friday August 15: Whole of RC is rented out from 7am to 7pm. But this shouldn’t disrupt gym or meditation\!
- 💾Friday August 15 to Sunday August 17: [Hackers on Planet Earth (HOPE) Conference](https://schedule.hope.net/hope16) @ St. John’s University. Tech Collective (fka Basement) will be tabling there\! They have conference tickets to offer you if you want ‘em
- ⚒️Tuesday August 19 – Abatement is happening in the basement at RC\! It shouldn’t disrupt anything going on upstairs.
- 🤠Wednesday August 27, doors 6:30pm: Queer line dancing @ RC followed by a screening of Brokeback Mountain. Season opener for a 6-month series of queer film screenings\!
- ❌Sunday August 31: Whole of RC is rented out morning til 3pm.
- ⛑️Thursday September 4 6:30pm to 7:30pm: Narcan overdose prevention training @ RC, offered by the city. They’ll have free kits for 50-70 people. Spread the word\! Free for all to attend.
- ***☸️Thursday September 11, evening time TBA: RC Spokescouncil meeting***
- 🎉Saturday September 20 5pm to 11pm: Opening Party for Ridgewood Commons @ RC. Working Groups tabling, talent show, raffle, and more\!
Seeking Help
- 🥳The Ridgewood Commons opening party needs YOU\! To help, you can: volunteer to help set up/tear down, offer to donate a raffle prize, put yourself in for the talent show.
- 🚗RC Food Pantry is seeking people **with** **cars** who are interested in helping shuttle food from various donation sites to RC. And seeking people **free on Tuesday or Sunday evenings** to help sort through donated food.
- 📦RC Facilities committee is seeking help with the ongoing task of cleaning up and organizing the basement\! Contact Vanessa if you want to KonMari all that stuff.
- 🧘Arie (our dear yoga instructor) is seeking other new-ish yoga instructors to cover classes or join in on the class schedule on a regular basis.
- 📲RC Tech & Comms Committee wants to know how YOU communicate (with your Working Group, with other Working Groups, with the broader community), so they can better support you. Keep an eye out for surveys and requests to chat from them.
- 🤝RC has several new Admin Committees (like Programming, Finance, Fundraising, etc.) that need more members to help the space run\! The only requirement to be on a committee is that you’re involved with at least one RC Working Group.
- ☸️If you’re curious about how the Spokescouncil meeting came together and you want to help plan/run the next one, please join the Spokescouncil Planning Working Group
PSAs
- 📅If you cancel an event at RC, please let Programming Committee know, so they can offer the space to other groups / rentals. Especially right now, since cash is tight and rentals bring in $$$
- 💸To help with RC’s cash flow, we can all:
- Be on the lookout for people/events who want to rent out the space
- Think about how we can individually contribute to RC (can you throw in a few bucks a month, perhaps?)
- 🫑Natalie from CSA wants Working Groups to know that you can table every Saturday when the CSA pickup happens. They have folks in and out picking up their veggies. It’s a great time to promote your WG, do fundraising, etc.
- 📶The wifi network and password have been **changed**\! Next time you’re in the space, look for posted signs for the new details.
- 🗑️The trash for RC goes out on Monday and Thursday nights\! If you’re using the space on one of those nights, please help out with trash\! Contact the Facilities Committee to learn what to do.
Meeting Highlights
Attendance
Kaitlyn Notetaker spokes planning, Eva relational skills group, briar spokes planning, Julianna Gym, Iris Facilities, Jacob Writing Group, Shelby timekeeper stack, Natalie Sunday dinner, Eddie Sunday dinner, Johnny Rentals, LJ Gym, Calvin Finance, gigi Food Pantry, Shea Food Pantry, Jonathan Tech Collective, Daniel Tech Collective, Arie Yoga, Paul Tech and Comms, Ash Facilitator, Frankie meta notetaker
New Action Items
- All Working Groups (WGs) and Admin Committees (ACs) to discuss and decide whether incorporate Friendly Amendments before the next Spokes meeting (Sept 11)
- Any/all WGs to bring proposals to the next Spokes meeting (Sept 11)
Uncompleted/ In progress Action Items from Prior Meetings
- N/A
Charters Discussed
Passed
- Comms & Tech Admin Committee
- Finance Admin Committee
- Fundraising & Grants Admin Committee
- Rentals Admin Committee
- Facilities Admin Committee
- Programming Admin Committee
- Food Pantry Working Group
- Gym Working Group
- Readgewood Tutoring Working Group
- Spokescouncil Planning Working Group
- Sunday Dinner Working Group
- Tech Collective (fka Basement) Working Group
- Tuesday Reading Group Working Group
- Writing Group Working Group
- Yoga & Meditation Working Group
Did not pass
None
Withdrawals
- Relational Skills
Proposals We Didn't Get To Discuss (will flow forward to next agenda)
None
Detailed Meeting Notes
- Explanation of the “Two Wheel” organizing structure of RC (5 min)
- [Diagram](https://wiki.commons.nyc/books/spokescouncil-documentation/page/two-wheel-model-of-self-governance)
- What’s the difference between a Working Group (WG) and an Admin Committee (AC)?
- WGs have a project. For ACs, Ridgewood Commons *is* the project.
- ACs are empowered to make day to day decisions to keep the space running.
- WGs are empowered to make decisions that further their projects
- AC members should also be involved with at least one WG (that is, no one is *only* administering the space)
- How are WGs and ACs accountable to the Spokescouncil?
- Spokescouncil ratifies charters of WGs and ACs. If charters are changed or new WGs are formed, their charters will need to be (re) ratified by the Spokescouncil.
- If AC members aren’t fulfilling their responsibilities, the Spokescouncil can delegate the responsibility to someone else.
- At Spokescouncil meetings, ACs will share what decisions were made over the past month, and what’s decisions are upcoming in the next month.
- How voting on charters will work today (10 min)
- Why not just use the “normal” [proposal voting process](http://Trash?%20When%20does%20the%20trash%20go%20out?%20The%20only%20thing%20I%20see%20is%20on%20the%20pantry.%20We%20are%20“responsible”%20on%20M/W%20about%20it.)?
- Under that process, each proposal gets 30 minutes of discussion. We have 16 charters to ratify. That’ll be way too slow\!
- So what are we doing instead?
- If there are no blocking concerns with a charter, we’ll ratify it.
- We can make non-blocking Friendly Amendments (FAs) to charters. WGs and ACs can decide whether to incorporate these changes after today.
- But what’s a “blocking concern”?
- A blocking concern, or “block”, means that no amount of friendly amendments is going to make your WG feel like this charter/proposal is a good idea. A block is a serious thing to do. You’ll need to justify it.
- And what is a “Friendly Amendment”?
- A Friendly Amendment (FA) is a recommended change to a proposal or charter *that isn’t mandatory*. If you won’t sign off on a charter or proposal unless your suggested change is made, that means you have a **blocking concern.**
- What does it mean for the Spokescouncil to ratify a charter?
- For WGs and ACs, the charter is the agreement that allows them to conduct tasks in the space.
- Ratification means that going forward, the committee or WG can do their thing in/related to the space, and that they’re accountable to the Spokescouncil for what they said they’d do in their charter.
- Discussion of Charters
- ***Friendly Amendments (FAs) that apply to all charters***
- For all Working Group (WG) charters: Please add something to the “Responsibilities” section that says something like, “we commit to working with the Fundraising Committee to find ways to support RC”. You need not include a specific dollar amount.
- For all Admin Committee (AC) charters: Please add something to the “Responsibilities” section something like: “On the day before each Spokescouncil meeting, we’ll report out on the executive actions we’ve taken in the past month and the decisions we expect to make in the coming month/”
- If charters will be public, put terms in bold that are specific to RC. (inside jargon, like “Distro” or “Coached Sessions”)
- Admin Committees (ACs)
1. Comms & Tech
- Friendly Amendment (FA): Please add some more information to your charter about how online credential sharing will work. Are y’all responsible for handling that?
2. Finance
- FA: Please make clear how the group will coordinate w/ the Fundraising Committee
- FA: Please add something about creating “discretionary budgets” for ACs and WGs to use. Dollar amounts on a regular basis that the group can use without prior approval, as long as they retain receipts.
3. Fundraising & Grants
- FA: Please make clear how the group will coordinate w/ the Finance Committee
4. Rentals ✅ No Friendly Amendments
5. Facilities
- FA: Add a Responsibility to manage restocking of consumables and medical supplies. (This doesn’t necessarily mean Facilities always does the restocking themselves, but at least makes sure it’s happening.)
- FA: Add Responsibility for coordinating waste management
- FA: Add a responsibility to keep the space safe
- FA: Add a responsibility to keep the space clean
- FA: Add something to the charter about offering skills training to other RC members so they can participate meaningfully in the Facilities committee / help maintain the space as well
- FA: Please clarify whether any members of the Facilities committee get paid. Is it all volunteer?
- FA: Please clarify what happens if the work that needs to be done goes beyond the skills of the people in the committee? Who decides about hiring someone? Does that entail working with the Finance committee?
- FA: In the current charter, there’s a sentence that says something like “no improvement will be made without a proposal being submitted and approved by groups”. This seems unrealistic for some decisions that must be made quickly (i.e. between Spokes meetings). Can you adjust the language to indicate how you’ll make decisions and inform WGs about them when that’s the case?
6. ~~Relational skills~~ (withdrawn, not ratified)
- This AC intends to be a group of people doing relational skills and conflict support work in organizing spaces.They are interested in questions like “What do we have to agree on vs. not agree on?”
- They have decided we should spend more time as RC working together before we attempt to formalize conflict resolution / relational skills as a working group.
7. Programming
- FA: Please add that it’s the responsibility of the Programming Committee to manage the calendar(s) for the space (public, private)
* Working Groups (WGs)
1. Food Pantry
- FA: Be more clear about what it means to “manage trash” in Food Pantry charter.
2. Gym
- FA (from self): Gym offers to increase committed monthly contribution to the space (to $600).
- FA (from Finance): Consider instead removing the specific dollar amount, since we don’t want to have to re-ratify the charter just to change the amount.
3. Readgewood Tutoring
- FA: Add a Responsibility about how each tutor needs to sign a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) for the space, since they’re working with kids
4. Spokescouncil Planning
- FA: Be more specific about who constitutes a “RC member” (by “RC member”, we just mean working group members, right?)
5. Dinner
- FA: Please specify how trash and compost are handled and where it gets placed at the end of Sunday dinner
6. Technical collective (fka Basement) ✅ No Friendly Amendments
7. Tuesday Reading Group ✅ No Friendly Amendments
8. Writing Group
- FA: Please specify what time of day the group uses the space
9. Yoga & Meditation ✅No Friendly Amendments
- Closing Announcements / Remarks
* ***Next Spokescouncil meeting is Thursday Sept 11 2025***
* Bring new proposals to the next Spokes meeting
1. Perhaps, your group can make a cleaning proposal. We have a template for this\!
* Talk to today’s facilitators if you want to help with the next Spokes meeting
* ***Delegates: Please go get yourself added to the delegates signal chat***
* There is now a signal chat that includes all of the Spokescouncil delegates that WGs and ACs sent to the meeting. That’s a great place for discussion of proposals, and disseminating information between WGs. Talk to your WG/AC’s delegate to learn more\!
Open discussion / Q& A
- Q: Why is Spokescouncil Planning a Working Group, not an Admin Committee?
* We didn’t get to cover this one in the meeting :(
- Q: When will future spokescouncil meetings be?
* A: They will be monthly. They’ll alternate between Saturday afternoons and Thursday evenings.
- Q: Will Spokescouncil meetings conflict with Writing Group?
* A: Nope\! Vanessa (Programming) has checked the schedule. There are no conflicts for the rest of 2025\.
- A lot of people have asked for clarity around the difference between the Tech Collective (WG) and the Comms & Tech committee (AC) We’re going to work on making sure that there isn’t so much overlap in the charters between “Tech” and “Tech Collective”. Also, “people who happen to use the basement” and “people interested in tech education” are two groups of people active in the space, and we’re still sorting out to what extent we’ll do any of these roles.
- Q: There’s a gap between the space’s current expenses and the current inflow of cash, right? What’s the gap? And what can we do about this as WGs and as individuals?
* A: We (Finance and Fundraising) are estimating a $2k per month deficit. However, until RC has a bank account (which we’re supposed to be getting next week), we can’t accept donations.Once we have a bank account, we can offer for former Woodbine donors to shift their donations to RC. After that, we’ll know better what the deficit is.
* A: We can encourage individuals to give $ each month. Working groups can work with Fundraising to figure out other ways to fundraise. If a WG wants to contribute $ to the space, that’s great.
- Q: If we want to donate money now (before RC has a bank account), what should we do?
* A: There’s not much you can do other than contribute cash to the “deadname jar” in the space until we have a bank account.
- Finance is working on a survey to pass around to working groups to get a good idea of the numbers and where they’re coming from. What’s everyone’s spend? Then they can get a better picture of what’s going on and how to help.
- Q: What if we’re a WG and we want to use the RC Instagram, mailing list, etc. How do we work with Comms & Tech committee on this?
* A: We haven’t figured this out yet. Stay tuned. Tech and Comms committee welcomes volunteers who want to work on this stuff to join the committee\!
- Q: There was a Friendly Amendment to the Facilities charter about “skill shares”. Can you clarify that?
* The idea behind that is the Facilities committee represents people with a set of skills that not everyone has. But if more people had those skills, more people would be able to help reproduce the space. So the ask is for skillshare to help sustain the space.
- Q: What’s the current status of the RC events calendar?
* A: Right now, we have a duplicated version of the Woodbine calendar, with RC specific events added. Anyone in any Admin Committee can have credentials to the private calendar. Johnny can give those creds now. We’re in a liminal state right now, since we aren’t publicly advertising the transition to “Ridgewood Commons” yet. Eventually, there will be a separate, public events calendar.
- Q: What’s the deal with the trash? Who handles what and when?
* A: Trash needs to go out to the curb on Mondays and Thursdays. Gym Collective, Yoga, and Writing WG participants help with this. Food Pantry helps gather and arrange trash on Monday and Wednesday mornings.
2025-06-14 Spokescouncil Kickoff
Agenda
Greeting
When folks arrive, they should be received by greeters who will: set up a big circle of chairs, say hi and ask what working group people are in, people can sit anywhere. Set up music, bring snacks, finish proposal board decor. light ice breaker?
Start at 3:15 pm
Small group activity: Why are you here? (10 mins)
All attendees form small groups of 4, ideally with people they don't know. In small groups, attendees:
- Introduce themselves (name, pronouns, where-ish they live)
- Share what brings them to Woodbine as a space/community
- Share what brought them to the Spokescouncil meeting
There is no "report out" after the small groups chat.
I'd expect that the small group discussion would take about 6 minutes, and that directing people into and out of small groups would take about 4 minutes.
Introducing the Spokespeople/Coming Together (5 mins)
Spokespeople from the various Spokes simply go around and state their name, pronouns, and which Spoke/Working Group they represent.
Explanation: How will this meeting work? (10 mins)
A spokescouncil is an organizational structure resembling a spoked wheel. It’s designed to allow for connection and decision making to be distributed non-hierarchically across large groups of people. Each group is represented by a rotating speaking delegate and a silent note-taker who agree to bring the will, interests, and needs of their working group to spokescouncil meetings. They also agree to communicate important information and decisions to their working groups after meetings.
Establishing a spokescouncil will be an evolving, experimental process. We may not get it right the first time, and that’s part of the point! Even this document is an ever-evolving work in progress.
A “fish bowl” format is a type of spokescouncil structure that allows all group members who are not delegates and note-takers to observe the meeting and perhaps pass notes and/or other materials to their delegate. The point of the fishbowl is to allow everyone to learn how these meetings work and develop trust with each other. The delegates are the only people allowed to speak during the meeting! This is a measure to keep meetings efficient because we will have a lot to cover and hopefully a lot of people participating. The note-taker is responsible for taking notes on the meeting and discussion and passing this information along to the rest of the working group. It’s important to note that the delegate does not make decisions for the working group! The delegate can speak for the working group but can only vote on proposals as the working group has decided prior to the meeting and cannot make any decisions for the group that was not already decided upon previously. This is the format we’ll be experimenting with for the first meeting.
Facilitators explain the agenda of the meeting, and who will play what roles in the meeting:
- Agenda wrangler / Facilitator: guides the group through the sections of the agenda, transitions from one topic to the next (ash)
- Timekeeper -- tracks how long is spent on agenda items and people talking (briar)
- Stacktaker -- tracks who's up next to speak (ewa)
- Vibes (will be ash and briar in this meeting)
Agenda:
- Directorship Speaks! (30mins)
- Explanation: How did this meeting come to be? (10 mins)
- Break (5 mins)
- Explanation: How to make a proposal (8 mins)
- Mock proposal (10 min)
- Closing: Summary + Next Steps (7 mins)
- Q/A 15 min if we have time and Aunt Ginnys after
Facilitators explain useful hand signals:
- jazz hands, for agreement without interrupting
- raised hand + eye contact for stacktaker, for getting on stack
- other ones?
-Facilitator intros the agenda
Directorship Speaks! (30mins)
-Andy talks (10 min)
-Ash (5 min): This news is really exciting but also a little scary. This presents some big opportunities for us co-creating a space together and shape it collectively from the ground up. It's up to folks in working groups to ask themselves how they may want to be apart of this future. If you are interested and imagine you have capacity to help brainstorm ideas and take on tasks and roles, there will be a follow up meeting after this one at Ginnys for anyone with the stamina to keep going and then a more formal meeting on Monday at 7 pm and another on Wed at 7 pm. We have to move fast to get this going by the end of June but we can do it! A lot of wheels are turning already and we just need to keep the momentum going together.
We will announce the follow up meetings in the spokescouncil announcements chat as well. Please share this information with your fellow working group members who couldn't make it today!
- q/a from community (15 min)
Explanation: How did this meeting come to be? (10 mins)
- Who set this agenda ? who is the spokescouncil planning WG? (we are not an authority)
- The agenda was set by the Spokescouncil Planning Working Group. The group was started in October of last year as an effort to democratize Woodbine and improve communication across the working groups. Ash started this project, sending out an open call to Woodbine working group members at the first working group assembly so that anyone who was interested could participate. After that, we met roughly half-a-dozen times to research and discuss governance models, and then through consensus decision-making created a detailed spokescouncil model to suit Woodbine.
- Moving forward, the Spokescouncil Planning Group will continue to meet with the goal of further honing the Woodbine spokecouncil model. We do not see this working group as an authority on how the spokescouncil will function. We are more of a maintenance and research crew who can nudge things along and help provide a broader scope when issues come up. The planning group remains open to anyone in a working group of Woodbine, though in order to participate, members need to remain actively engaged and both attend meetings and fulfill action items. Please speak to Ash or I afterwards if you’d like to plug in.
- who set up the spokescouncil structure (aka us), and how’d we end up with that role? What motivated the creation of the Spokescouncil Planning group?
- So, what is a spokescouncil? It’s a way for organizations and projects to make decisions together. In the case of Woodbine, we have numerous groups and projects that use the space: there’s the gym, there’s the research group, there’s the basement, food pantry, screening group, and so on. Each of these groups makes decisions on their own about how to manage their own projects. However, sometimes we have to make decisions about how to manage the space as a whole. Currently, those types of decisions are made by the Directors and a lot of conflict has arisen with that structure.
- At Woodbine, a spokescouncil will hopefully allow all these different working groups to make decisions together about how we organize this space and help shape a culture of accountability and conflict support. These decisions could range from how we keep the space clean to how we use the space to mobilize a response to a crisis.
- How does a spokecouncil make decisions together? First, any member of Woodbine can post a proposal over there. Ash will go into more detail about how to submit proposals, but for now, know that everyone can submit them. Then, the working groups meet independently to discuss these proposals and decide whether they support them, want to make friendly ammendments, want to block them outright or step aside and not vote. Once they’ve arrived at their decisions, they send a representative and a note taker to the Spokecouncil meeting. During the meeting, the proposals are discussed again, though this time the representatives don’t express their personal opinions, but rather their vote conveys the decisions of their working group. If a proposal achieves consensus minus 2, then it passes and goes into effect. Ash will explain consensus minus two later.
- How did we decide who counts as a “Spoke”?
- Who counts as a Spoke? Any working group that actively uses Woodbine and has 5 or more members. If your working group has fewer members, you can form a coalition with a similar working group and send a representative together.
- Who counts as a Spoke? Any working group that actively uses Woodbine and has 5 or more members. If your working group has fewer members, you can form a coalition with a similar working group and send a representative together.
Break (5 mins)
Explanation: How to make a proposal (8 mins)
- what is a proposal?
- Proposals are forms that communicate what an individual or group would like to add or change to existing Woodbine structures and culture. They should be well thought out with enough discussion happening with those who might be affected by the proposal in advance. There should be a good reason for this. Maybe it’s a fun way to fundraise for Woodbine because everyone has to pay a dollar to play. A few issues need to be considered to make this work. The people who want the pinball machine should decide where it will live. If it will live in the basement, Basement working group folks should be consulted in advance to see if they want this in their working space. Other important questions need to be asked in advance. If the pinball machine needs to be found for free online or fundraised for, who will do that labor? Who will do the heavy lifting to bring it in? Who will maintain it if it breaks? Is there anyone who is an expert in pinball machines at Woodbine to consult? Anyone expected to do labor for a proposal to come to be will have to be consulted in advance or expect your proposal to get blocked.
- Proposals are forms that communicate what an individual or group would like to add or change to existing Woodbine structures and culture. They should be well thought out with enough discussion happening with those who might be affected by the proposal in advance. There should be a good reason for this. Maybe it’s a fun way to fundraise for Woodbine because everyone has to pay a dollar to play. A few issues need to be considered to make this work. The people who want the pinball machine should decide where it will live. If it will live in the basement, Basement working group folks should be consulted in advance to see if they want this in their working space. Other important questions need to be asked in advance. If the pinball machine needs to be found for free online or fundraised for, who will do that labor? Who will do the heavy lifting to bring it in? Who will maintain it if it breaks? Is there anyone who is an expert in pinball machines at Woodbine to consult? Anyone expected to do labor for a proposal to come to be will have to be consulted in advance or expect your proposal to get blocked.
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when do proposals need to be submitted?
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Proposals should be submitted at least 2 weeks prior to the meeting to give enough time to choose which ones to discuss at the next meeting and for working groups to discuss in advance. Urgent proposals can be submitted within 2 weeks but the folks submitting it should alter the announcement chat admins to alert the wider community to act on it. Proposals will be posted physically on a board in Woodbine and folks can individually indicate their preference for what proposals they want to see in the next meeting. You can use the printer in the space to print it out. The Spokescouncil Planning working group will tally them and add them to the meeting agenda.
Remember, everything is subject to change via proposal, even how the spokescouncil is structured. If it’s not working, we are not stuck with it! We can change it to fit our needs as a collective body.
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- Show the board, template, remind people of explainer document
- What is a decision for the spokes v. other kinds of decisions?
- Ask questions introducing each thing, and ask audience to shout out if its a proposal or not.
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Rule of thumb: if you can solve the problem with one conversation, it doesn’t need to be brought to the spokescouncil. Large decisions that would impact multiple working groups are suitable for spokescouncil meetings, while small decisions that only impact you or your working group might not make sense for them. There are certain decisions that are delegated to Woodbine’s directors for legal and liability reasons. Director’s will break these down at the first meeting. Not sure if something you want to do is appropriate for a spokescouncil meeting proposal? Ask one of the Planning crew members.
- Example 1: The roof is leaking, urgent actions need to be made to fix the immediate problem. (proposal?)
- This should not be brought to a spokescouncil. People should just go and do what it takes to get the water leaking under control.
- Example 2: long term the roof needs renovations. This might require large amounts of Woodbine funds to be directed to this. A working group or two would like to initiate a fundraiser drive instead of using internal funds and recruit a team of people to run this fundraiser (proposal?)
- this is a decision to bring to the spokescouncil via a proposal.
- Example 3: The reading group wants to pick a new book for the next month. (proposal?)
- This is for the reading group only to decide, this isn’t a spokescouncil issue.
- Example 4: the reading group would like to build a wing to the current library and stock it exclusively full of copies of Stirner’s “The Ego and Its Own”
- that would be a proposal the reading group would write.
- who can help?
- Spokescouncil planning group can help answer questions you have and you can refer to the explainer document and proposal archive website we have built
Mock proposal (10 min)
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Explain basic concepts of voting:
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“Friendly Amendments” are comments offered to improve a proposal before a vote. They should be quick and small in scope and can be written into a proposal after it is passed. A friendly amendment can be offered when you are in support of a proposal or have some reservations but are generally ok with it.
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“Withdrawal” is when the group who put forward the proposal decides to withdraw it or delay voting. This might happen because they realize they need to make more amendments to make the proposal better or because they realize it’s not a good moment to offer the proposal as is.
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Voting in-meeting will be conducted using “Fist to Five.” “Fist to Five” is a quick visual to see how a delegate votes on a proposal. The delegate raises their fist high in the air and when he vote begins, they can vote by keeping their first close or raising a number of number of fingers that indicates their level of agreement for the proposal:
- Fist (0 fingers): Does not agree at all (a Block)
- 1 finger: Hold on (a Block)
- 2 fingers: Reservations, but could be convinced
- 3 fingers: Okay with it
- 4 fingers: Sounds good
- 5 fingers: Total agreement
- Fist (0 fingers): Does not agree at all (a Block)
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After votes are counted, the proposal is then passed (or not) using “Consensus Minus 2”. This means 2 “Blocks” (a Block is shown by either a fist or holding up one finger) will keep a proposal from being passed immediately. Blocks mean you are extremely against a proposal and want to prevent it from passing if possible. Delegates who block will have to justify their block and further conversation and possibly a withdrawal or new vote with amendments may follow.
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“Stand Asides” are when delegates choose not to vote at all. This shows a neutral feeling and means the working group doesn’t care whether the proposal is passed or not.
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- Woodbine Pony script:
- audience roles: questioner/Friendly Ammender (?), Blocker(?), stack keeper (whoever is already doing that), facilitator (ash), introducer (briar), delegates/voters (?)
- people to ask: shahrazad, caroline, iris, yousef, sarah, ewa, andy
- hand out script for friendly ammendents, block, stand aside, questions
- audience roles: questioner/Friendly Ammender (?), Blocker(?), stack keeper (whoever is already doing that), facilitator (ash), introducer (briar), delegates/voters (?)
- Proposal:
- Ash: "Ok, next on the agenda we have the proposal titled "Woodbine gets a Pony" submitted by the Food pantry working group."
- Briar:
- "We in the glorious, luscious food pantry working group want Woodbine to have a pony. Why? A pony can do so many things! It can carry groceries from TJs, boost morale b/c ponies are so pretty and not last but not least, its poop can be used as fertilizer for the gardening club! We got the buy in of the gardening club on this in advance."
- "This proposal groups this affects everyone except the Gym because pony couldn't fit through the door. "
- "who would do the labor? The pantry would raise funds to buy the pony but anyone who smells poop has to clean it and anyone who hears the pony whining for food has to feed it"
- The money required for this is $10,000 because that is how much an award winning pure bred named Arti costs and we already love her. Here she is! (Show pic of the pony https://www.dreamhorse.com/ad/2291271.html)
- Response to proposal:
- Ash: " Ok, we've heard the proposal. we have time for quick round of questions now.
- questions:
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- FA asks: "so, what color is the pony?"
- blocker asks: "is that against sanitation regulations for the pantry to run?"
- briar's answer: "hmmm...good question! we haven't finished our research on this yet."
- ash: "any more questions? ok let's move onto friendly amendments. "
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- call for friendly amendments:
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- FA: "my FA is I think the pony should be spotted instead of cream"
- briar's response: "great idea! we can change her name to Chocolate Chip!"
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- Ash: "any more FA? ok we will move onto a vote. Remember your vote is what your working group collectively decided in advance, not your person opinion. ok lets vote. one two three shoot" "
- FA votes 5, blocker votes 0
- Ash (speaking to blocker): "you voted a fist, thats a blocking vote. Can you tell us why you decided to block this proposal?"
- blocker says: "I believe having a pony pooping in the space will force us to shut down the food pantry, it's not sanitary, we'll be bridled by the city!"
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- briar's response: "fair point! maybe we didn't think about this enough. i think i should withdraw this proposal. but wait!... i thought of a friendly amendment that might help it pass.
- Ash: "ok, what is your friendly ammendment?"
- Briar: "what if we used those funds to commission a giant stuffed animal pony instead. It's cleaner and we can still pet it!"
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- Ash: "Do any food pantry folks who worked on this have any concerns with this change to be added right now? ok great, is that enough for everyone to call a new vote? ok let's vote again. one two three shoot"
- everyone votes, above a 3
- Ash: "great, that propposal passed. Food pantry, please form your crew to get this going, we will ask for progress report at the next meeting. "
Closing: Summary + Next Steps (7 mins)
Facilitators summarize decision(s) or action items for next meeting.
Facilitators shout out what attendees can expect to happen next, for instance:
- choosing delegate and note taker for next meeting
- delegates getting added to the spokescouncil signal chat
- writing/reading proposals (+ where to find them)
- when the next Spokes meeting will be (thurs, july 10, 6-8 pm)
- how to get involved with making the next Spokes meeting happen
- get volunteers for various roles
- offer training and collaborating in pairs to prep for those roles
- make sure to sign up the announcements chat
- offer proposal mentorship/help in writing
- expect the invitation to the follow up meeting in the next week for the "future of the space", different than the next spokescouncil meeting
Q/A if there is time is leftover (15 min)
- keep questions brief, redirect people to written materials or post meeting conversations if longer
- ask everyone to clear out at 5 pm, allow next group to prep for rental
Meeting Highlights
Attendance
<spoke name + delegate: name + note-taker: name> , <spoke name + delegate: name + note-taker: name>, ...
New Action Items
- action item 1 - name of individual or groups bottomlining
- action item 2 - name of individual or groups bottomlining
- action item 3 - name of individual or groups bottomlining
Uncompleted/ In progress Action Items from Prior Meetings
- action item 1 - name of individual or groups bottomlining, notes on status (ex. stalled due to vacation, halfway done, need supplies)
- action item 2 - name of individual or groups bottomlining, notes on status
- action item 3 - name of individual or groups bottomlining, notes on status
Proposals Discussed
Passed
- proposal name
- proposal name
- proposal name
Did not pass
- proposal name
- proposal name
- proposal name
Withdrawals
- proposal name
- proposal name
- proposal name
Proposals We Didn't Get To Discuss (will flow forward to next agenda)
- proposal name
- proposal name
- proposal name
Detailed Meeting Notes
- notes
2026-06-13 Spokescouncil Meeting - Jawn
Agenda - prep, review, propose, announce
Preparations
- 10min role call (what would you like to be called, what roles are you representing)
- 10min Spokescouncil goal + process review + alignment
- 10min agenda additions / modifications
Review
- Check-in on past proposals (these are both short, we can read them aloud together & discuss how they've been going)
- https://wiki.commons.nyc/books/spokescouncil-proposals/page/proposal-for-bathroom-cleaning-rotation
- https://wiki.commons.nyc/books/spokescouncil-proposals/page/physical-rc-community-calendar
- Admin group reportbacks
- Facilities
- Finance
- Fundraising
- Programming & Rentals
- Tech
- Outside Comms
- Working group reportbacks
- Collective Strength
- Food Pantry
- Political Education
- READgewood Youth Tutoring
- Spokes Planning
- Sunday Dinner
- Tech Collective
- Tuesday Reading Group
- Writing Workshop
- Yoga & Meditation
Proposals
- New proposals and regular process
- Are any working groups wiling to organize the Spokescouncil meeting next month (see work required in the draft proposal here)
Announcements
- Admin group announcements
- Working group announcements
- Any animal announcements
Meeting Notes
> Copied from this google doc on Jun 13, 2026
Attendance:
Micro
Myf
Charli
Shea
Caroline
Dora
What is the role of spokes now?
REPORT BACKS:
Admin:
People a little lost on the role of spokescouncil
Dora’s finance update:
Doing pretty good - Dora and Shea are going to work with Monk Works soon
$16.5k in the bank ($361 petty cash)
-$3k down because it is the middle of the month. Membership money comes in later.
There is a finance proposals chat Dora made - financial consensus chat - can request up to $300 without a question, but can also ask more.
The expectation is that the groups talk to each other about these expenses and people are on the same page.
Dora reports what is requested and spent
Pantry:
Need food through July - been needing to explore other food options
Yearbook Committee:
Have prom on July 24th
Rat Report back:
Charli: The rat walked in here
LP: The rat problem was the most expensive experience this space has gone through. We could use a bleach solution. Stuff spilled off the stove.
Do we have a rat living in the space? No.
No open food or snacks
Fundraiser update:
Bird walk: $690
Biking: $542
Brunchraiser for tomorrow has been postponed - because the Knicks game - but there will be a new event
Programming Update:
August 22nd Block Party is a street event - not quite approved yet. Waiting on Monk Works to get a COI to get an insurance company. Lots of things…. Shea is on it….
Basement:
Meeting on Tuesday of next week
Micro proposal upcoming about the ventilation in the basement!
Micro is taking the resin printers away - the tent, also. It has only been used twice.
The mesh is working really well - better than Verizon
Drop Verizon to a slow speed? So that people are encouraged to use Mesh. And then we donate to Mesh half of the money that we save.
Connection between the basement and main space is difficult. The real estate itself taken into thoughts of the main space.
There used to be meetings weekly in the basement.
Gathering area in the basement?
Myf says the basement used to be very social downstairs
REVIEW
Past proposals:
Bathroom cleaning:
Seems like it is going very well – resounding success. People autonomously pass it around
Cleaning station was also a past proposal
Library:
Challenging? But not a conflict.
Confusion about what a proposal was - early in the process of proposals. But now the dishes are there.
New Proposals:
Compost - collection of food waste
make a community garden partner at little or no cost. Use small, secure collection bins to drop off at sites at Ridgewood Commons members.
Community gardens hours with buckets that Charli makes with detailed collection instructions.
Compost fairies!!
Should we think about BK Rot again?
Myf and LP: They are unreliable?
Charli: Wants to research BK Rot
LP: Shitty bathroom scale?
Future idea of proposals:
LP and Caroline: doing monthly check-ins of the space - trying to move people’s personal belongings. Having a rule that every month the space is scanned.
What can we do to get more engagement? What purpose does the spokescouncil play?
Tally report backs from the different working groups?
Dora: BE VERY explicit about what the spokescouncil does. This is what it has done, how it can be beneficial to the space.
LP: The spokescouncil is a reactionary response to try to make the space democratic. Misestimation of the culture here that these groups don’t want to be involved as much.
Doing a “why are we here” - external message to remind ourselves the importance of this. Grievances?
Myf: What made woodbine work was that it was a doers get to do things. Causes conflict, is not scalable. Spokescouncil is very formal. How can we be playful?
Bonding:
Theater of the Oppressed
Parties - office parties?
Consistent meeting times?
Titles/representatives get pins or shirts
Problems and Solutions
Asynchronous report backs?
Points of unity - the bigger vision that is being built here through use of the space.
Issues of people who don’t use the space “correctly” - don’t follow collective protocols
Shelby: We need a conflict resolution group. This didn’t get followed through, but we need a conflict process.
WHO IS DOING THE NEXT SPOKESCOUNCIL MEETING???
Action Items:
We need a conflict process - Shelby said this.
Pantry logistics meeting with drivers - Caroline
Points of Unity. LP: The most valuable thing about the space are Safety, Welcomingness & Usability
Shelby bringing a shitty bathroom scale
2026-07-30 Spokes Council Meeting Point of Unity Discussion
Spokescouncil Meeting - Date: 07-30-2026
Agenda
- Intros
- Review of prior POU materials
- 1-2-4-All brain storming of POU
- Next Steps
Meeting Highlights
Attendance
New Action Items
- Formed a new group chat
- started a pad to draft specific language
- aiming to have completed draft for proposal two weeks in advance of next spokes council meeting